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Overlijden Petrus Hermanus van der Bijl in Amerika? Canada?

Petrus Hermanus van der Bijl is geboren te Ouder Amstel op 14 maart 1854.

Hij vertrok naar Amerika? Canada? in 1886 en/of 1889.

Liet zijn vrouw en oudste zoon achter in Holland.

Vermoedelijk overlijden ca. 1923

 

Overlijden Petrus Hermanus van der Bijl in Amerika? Canada?

Is er een kans dat hij daar opnieuw getrouwd is?

 

Groom:                Peter H Vanderbyl

Groom's Age:    41

Groom's Estimated Birth Year:   1854

Groom's Residence:       Ludwig, Johnson, Arkansas

Bride:    Anna Rynvio/Rijnvis

Bride's Age:        30

Bride's Estimated Birth Year:       1865

Bride's Residence:           Ludwig, Johnson, Arkansas

Marriage Date: 14 Jul 1895

Marriage License Date: 13 Jul 1895

Marriage Place:                 , Johnson, Arkansas, United States

Film Number:    1027107

Digital Folder Number: 4331384

Image Number:                00258

Page Number:   438

Source:                 Arkansas County Marriage Records, 1837-1957

Akte: https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.familysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fpal%3A%2FMM9.1.i%2Fdgs%3A004331384.004331384_00258

 

 

1910 Census

Name: Peter H Vanderbyl

Birthplace:          Holland

Relationship to Head of Household:        Self

Residence:          St Louis Ward 13, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri

Marital Status:   Married

Race :    White

Gender:               Male

Immigration Year:            1886

Father's Birthplace:         Holland

Mother's Birthplace:       Holland

Family Number:                73

Page Number:   4

                Household          Gender                Age

                Peter H Vanderbyl           M            54y

Spouse                 Anna M Vanderbyl          F              42y

 

 

Sylvia

Overlijden Petrus Hermanus van der Bijl in Amerika? Canada?

Anna schijnt ook in ca 1886 te zijn geemigreerd. Zijn ze misschien samen er vandoor gegaan ...???

Overlijden Petrus Hermanus van der Bijl in Amerika? Canada?

Je hebt hier heel veel geluk. Ik heb z'n overlijdens akte gevonden en het vermeldt dat ie geboren was op 14 Mar 1854 en overleden op 21 Okt 1919 te St Louis City. Dus bovenstaand persoon was inderdaad de juiste. Anna staat ook op de akte als zijn echtgenote.

 

Zijn ovl akte als pdf: http://www.sos.mo.gov/images/archives/deathcerts/1919/1919_00033245.PDF

 

Ik heb Anna's overlijden nog niet gevonden.

 

Sylvia

Overlijden Petrus Hermanus van der Bijl in Amerika? Canada?

Wederom heel veel dank.

Dit had ik echt niet verwacht. Hulde.

Je moet wel een specialist zijn om dit op de sites van de VS en Canada zo snel terug te vinden.

Hij is dus voor de 2e maal gehuwd zonder in Nederland te scheiden.

Ik ben erg blij met deze informatie want deze vraag lag er eigenlijk al jaren.

 

pieter

 

Overlijden Petrus Hermanus van der Bijl in Amerika? Canada?

Pieter (en Sylvia)

 

I will write this in English as it is easier for me. If you have trouble with translation then please let me know.

 

Sylvia was correct in guessing that Petrus and Anna travelled together from Nederland to the USA.

 

Travelling on the "P. Caland" from Amsterdam and arriving on 10 December 1888 in New York; page 1 of the ship manifest, lines 8 and 9:

 

-Petrus Harmanus vd Byl, 34 jaar oud, metselaar, van Holland

-Anna vd Byl, 22 jaar oud, van Holland

 

They travelled as husband and wife even though they were not married.

 

groetens,

John

Overlijden Petrus Hermanus van der Bijl in Amerika? Canada?

Hello John,

 

Thank you so much for these interesting information.

I am curious to know where you have find this.

On the site of Ellis Island I cannot find anything about them.

I hope you can inform me.

Veel dank !

 

pieter

Overlijden Petrus Hermanus van der Bijl in Amerika? Canada?

Hello Pieter,

 

You cannot find this couple on Ellis Island because the records for Ellis Island did not start until 1892. Before that the ships came to a place also in New York harbor called "Castle Garden".

 

I found Petrus and Anna by using Ancestry.com under the immigration heading. I typed in the first name "Petrus", a birth year (thus 1854), and his ancestry (Dutch). One of the heading choices was "Dutch Immigrants to the US 1881-1894. And Petrus was the 3rd one down in the pick list. The list has his name spelled "Petrus Herman Vanderbilj". But looking at the actual manifest you could see it said Petrus Hermanus vd Byl. When I saw the name Anna underneath Petrus' name with her age (and the age of Petrus) I knew that this was the couple you were looking for.

 

Of course it is obvious they knew each other already in Nederland. My question would be "why did they wait until 1895 to be married?". You will probably never know the answers to all your questions.

 

What happened to his wife and son in Nederland? Did she ever remarry? Are you a descendant of the son of Petrus and his first (actual) wife?

 

groetens,

 

John

Overlijden Petrus Hermanus van der Bijl in Amerika? Canada?

Hello John,

 

Thank you so much for all your information.

I'll try Ancestry.com.

His Dutch wife died in 1935 in the Hague. She never remarry.

Petrus Hermanus van der Bijl and my grandfather have the same mother, Antje Houweling.

She first married Abram van der Bijl and after his death she married Nicolaas Hendricus van Oostrum.

Groeten,

 

Pieter