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Jacobus Meuren Roermond Linne?

He is married to Catherina Rutten

who are their children?

 

Who are his parents?

Jacobus Meuren Roermond Linne?

Do you have more information, birthdates and places, wedding dates and places and stuff like that?

Jacobus Meuren Roermond Linne?

I think you got these names from the topic Hendrik Meure and Helena Sampers HISTORY, post 5 ?

 

Jacobus Meuren and Catharina Rutten were not Henricus' parents, they were witness at Henricus's baptism february 7, 1769.

Like Josephus Meuren was not the father but witness at Paulus' baptism May 29, 1767.

 

Henricus' parents were Henricus Meuren and Helena Rulkens.

Paulus' parents were Henricus Meuren and Helena van de Venne.

They were both baptized in Linne

 

 

Church marriage Linne 07-05-1766

Bridegroom Henricus Meuren

Bride Helena Rulkens

Sponsor Maria Rulkens

Sponsor Jacobus Meuren

 

Funeral Linne 24-09-1768

Deceased Henricus Meuren

Spouse of the deceased Helena Rulkens

 

Baptism Linne 07-02-1769

Baptized child Henricus Meuren

Father of the child Henricus Meuren

Mother of the child Helena Rulkens

Sponsor Catharina Rutten

Sponsor Jacobus Meuren

 

 

Baptism Linne 29-05-1767

Baptized child Paulus Meuren

Father of the child Henricus Meuren

Mother of the child Helena van de Venne

Sponsor Helena van de Venne

Sponsor Josephus Meuren

Jacobus Meuren Roermond Linne?

Better to check the orginal entries.  There could have been a mix-up with the names of the mother and the sponsor at the baptism of Paulus in 1767?  I would be a bit suspicious when the mother and sponsor have the same name.  Also: a Helena van der Venne as the mother  in 1767 and the other (?) Helena van der Venne in Linne a fortnight later?

 

Baptism Linne 29-05-1767

Baptized child Paulus Meuren

Father of the child Henricus Meuren

Mother of the child Helena van de Venne

Sponsor Helena van de Venne

Sponsor Josephus Meuren

 

Baptism Linne 14-06-1767

Baptized child Antonius Wackers

Father of the child Henricus Wackers

Mother of the child Helena van de Venne

Sponsor Jacobus van de Venne

Sponsor Helena Beckers

 

Church marriage Linne 31-08-1766

Bridegroom Henricus Wackers

Bride Helena van de Venne

Sponsor Hermanus Wackers

Sponsor Joannes van de Venne

Jacobus Meuren Roermond Linne?

Angellina,  - This Jacobus Meuren was not married to Catharina Rutten.

 

Your other question about 'Who are the children of Christianus Meuren' already answered by Karen.  https://www.stamboomforum.nl/familienamen/2/33841/0/who_are_the_children_of_christianus_meuren_of_roermond_1700

  

Referring to this and to your other questions elsewhere:  Be aware that very likely that Christianus was NOT the father of the Henricus Meuren you are searching for.  From your previous questions I understand that you are still looking for a Henricus Meuren - whose son Henricus was born in 1802 in Linne / married in 1835 in Bloemendaal.  Is that correct?   

 

Take one step at a time ...  From that marriage record of Henrcius Meuren jr. in Bloemendaal in 1835 you know:  That his parents' names were Henricus Meuren and Helena Sampers.  That his father Henricus Meuren died in 1810 in Linne, his mother Helena Sampers in 1825 in Linne.  Their marriage record not yet found, but would have been in or before 1802.    Nowhere (yet) an indication that Henricus Meuren, married to Helena Sampers, was born in Roermond ... [ Linne is a place near Roermond]

The reasoning I question this connection with a Christianus:  The first child  of Henricus Meuren and Helena Sampers (? and not sure if this was their first child... since we haven't found the marriage date yet) was baptized  'Henricus'  in 1802 in Linne.   I assume he would have been named - as was (generally speaking) the tradition -  after the grandfather of the child, also a Henricus. [and not after a Christianus?].  Baptismal records could give more info since sponsors at baptisms were often close relatives.  Different with civil records, the witnesses not necessarily family members. 

 

Karen could well be correct and this the Henrircus you are looking for, but without more info I still would note it with a question mark ...until more leads are found.    

   Baptism:  Linne 07-02-1769

   Baptized child Henricus Meuren

   Father of the child Henricus Meuren

   Mother of the child Helena Rulkens

   Sponsor Catharina Rutten

   Sponsor Jacobus Meuren

 

      Registered in Herten:

      Church marriage: Herten 27-04-1766  

      Bridegroom Henricus Meuren

      Bride Helena Rulkens

 

    Also registered some days later in Linne:

      Church marriage:  Linne 07-05-1766

      Bridegroom Henricus Meuren

      Bride Helena Rulkens

      Sponsor Maia Rulkens

      Sponsor Jacobus Meuren

 

    Funeral: Linne 24-09-1768

    Deceased Henricus Meuren

    Spouse of the deceased Helena Rulkens 

   

            Her next marriage:  

            Church marriage Linne 23-04-1771

            Bridegroom Petrus Vergoosen

            Bride Helena Rulkens

            Sponsor Wilhelmus Vergoosen

            Sponsor Maria Rulkens

 

            Funeral Linne 01-02-1796

            Deceased Helena Rulkens

            Spouse of the deceased Petrus Vergoossen

            Spouse of the deceased Henricus Meuren

 

The marriage date/place of the next Henricus Meuren with Helena Sampers is not known (yet). 

Looking at the three children born of them, all in Linne [ and these are civil records already]:

Birth registration Linne 23-05-1802

infant Henri Meuren

Father of the child Henri Meuren

Mother of the child Helene Sampers

 

Birth registration Linne 12-06-1805

infant Anne Barbe Meuren

Father of the child Henrij Meuren

Mother of the child Helene Sampers

 

Birth registration Linne 04-08-1808

infant Anne Barbe Meuren

Father of the child Henrij Meuren

Mother of the child Helene Sampers

 

You can access scans of these birth registrations via familysearch.  See link https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-14422-21172-99?cc=1831469&wc=10719421

During those years they used the French Republican Calendar ('google' or see more info via this link http://www.genver.nl/service/fsfrans.htm 

Jacobus Meuren Roermond Linne?

Thank you ,yes Christophus was not the grandfather of my henry,the dates wont match,

 

I now search for the information on Henri Meuren in Linne Roermond married to Helena Rulkins D in  the later part of 1700 and to find his parenteel and how many children did this henri have  

 

we know he died as she remarrie

 

Q Helena  can you please explain this to me re bone and ashes please re a deseased person?,  may be a translation  difference 

  Assume he would have named bone - ashes (Generally speaking) the tradition - after the grandfather of the child

 

many thanks )))

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Jacobus Meuren Roermond Linne?

You wrote ...  ' Christophus was not the grandfather of my henry,the dates wont match..'

Angellina, - There was no Christophus mentioned; only a Christianus.  

 

And what do you mean with 'a translation difference'?  'bone and ashes'  not mentioned either.

Perhaps you are using a 'google'- or a similar translation service.  Note: These translation services are not perfect, but most helpful when you don't know the language.  A little bit of common sense is needed when reading those 'translations'.  

 

Here some links where you can read more about the 'rules for naming' that were used in those parts of The Netherlands until about mid 20th Century.  Use a translation service and refer back to the original document when it doesn't make sense to you;  perhaps together with the orginal text you will be able to understand a bit better then.  http://www.voorouders.net/help/regels-voor-het-vernoemen/

http://www.loegiesen.nl/artikelen/vernoemingsregels.htm

 

This link [and its sub-links] may be of help when searching for ancestors in The Netherlands:

http://www.voorouders.net/help/

 

Note: A lot (!) , but not everything is freely available on the internet.  Transcriptions or indices are a very good help.  However, they need to be checked against the orginal entries in the DTB books (= Doop, Trouw en Begraafboeken) (=Baptism, marriage and funeral books).  

The transcriptions of the DTB books in familysearch are NOT the orginal entries.  Neither is the info from the cd "GenDaLim' some of us used while trying to help you here.   

 

Re Roermond Linne.  Please note: Roermond is a place.   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roermond

And Linne is a different place

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linne

Jacobus Meuren Roermond Linne?

Yes i see that too,

 

i see also a paulus born in1700 and married a Getruida from Linne

 

they had 3 sons Josephus  1725 an Henricus died 1730  and Johannes died 1735 

 

but these Originate from Herten some  how  they are connected  

maybe cousins  and brothers i am not sure yet  but

 

 Henri from linne and his wife Helena Rulkins are connected to them )))

stilll searching