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Military Prison Oegstgeest

I have fielded this question some years ago. Someone was going to try and find out, but till now I have never heard another thing. So here goes....My GrGrGrandfather

  KLAAS FREERKS TULP, born 27 Sep 1814, Appingedam, died 17 Nov 1846, as an inmate in a military prison at Oegstgeest, South Holland. As he was exempted from military service  we have no idea at this time why he was there. At his time of death there was an epidemic of some kind in that area. Many in that prison died. He married 30 Nov 1838, Loppersum, to TIETJE HENDRICUS TICHELAAR, b. 3 Apr 1813, Loppersum, d. 16 Mar 1848, Loppersum. Tietjes parents were Hendricus Pieters Tichelaar and Catharina Hendrina Eises, d. 16 Jun 1837.

So why and how long was he there?  Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have also tried to get some info from Apingedam but they never bothered with any type of an answer.

 

Military Prison Oegstgeest

Thanks for the info Keren, I'll contact him

Have a good one     Frans

Military Prison Oegstgeest

PS .

I forgot to mention that his death certificate stated that he was a " militair".

Military Prison Oegstgeest

Keren,

Thank you for your help.

As his wife and him married in and she was born in Loppersum I would think they lived there. I won't be home until Tuesday so can check for more info then

Klaas' wife was Tietje Hendricus Tichelaar, b. 13 Apr 1813, m. 30 Nov 1838, d. 16 Mar 1848, all in Loppersum. They had 2 kids.

Maybe he replaced someone else in the military for a bunch of money??

Have a good one    Frans

Military Prison Oegstgeest

Hello Frans,

 

If the record says he was 'militair' (that is; a military person) then he is definitely in the military. It might very well be possible that he acted as a 'plaatsvervanger' (replacement) for someone else who was drafted.

The service records of that period are held at the Nationaal Archief in Den Haag, as Keren stated earlier in this thread. Without knowledge of the unit he was in however, it will be a long search.

A possibility to obtain knowledge about the unit is to check the 'huwelijkse bijlagen' (marriage annexes). These might contain a certificate of a military unit. Given the date of marriage (way before the period he served in the military) the chances are slim these will be there. Another possibility is to check the court-martial records of the period. Again, that will take some expert knowledge to find out which court martial sent him to prison.

 

I am sorry I can't give some specific help, just some vague pointers,

 

Wilco

Military Prison Oegstgeest

Wilco,

Thanks for your message. As I stated before I'm not at home at te moment. I'll get more info on Tuesdsay when I can reread his death cert.

Have a good one..        Frans

Military Prison Oegstgeest

Hi Frans, Keren and Wilco,

 

Yesterday I e-mailed Frans privately but I think it's wise to respond via this forum too.

 

I do have an ancestor who was imprisoned in Oegstgeest.

Via the website of the Noord-Hollands Archief you can find an index of names of people who

had to appear for the Court Martial in Haarlem. This is the link:

 

http://www.noordhollandsarchief.org/?pc_id=3&pp_id=167

 

Of course I did a look-up for Frank but KLAAS FREERKS TULP wasn't sentenced in Haarlem.

But in the city of Groningen they also had a Court Martial and there's a big chance he appeared

before the magistrates there.

 

The sentences of the "Krijgsraad Provincie Groningen" are only accessible in the Groningen

Archives.   The "toegangsnummer" is 147  and timeframe 1841 - November 1846.

 

Maybe Frank can e-mail them :   groningerarchieven.nl" href="mailto:infogroningerarchieven.nl" target="_blank">infogroningerarchieven.nl

or write a letter : Postadres:
                         Postbus 30040
                         9700 RM Groningen

 

or maybe some kind soul can do a look-up :  Bezoekadres:
                                                                 Cascadeplein 4
                                                                 9726 AD Groningen

 

There are 2 things I find strange in the case of Klaas Freerks Tulp;

 

1)  He's a married man with 2 small children. Why did he enlist ?

     

2) Why isn't his spouse, Tietje Hendrikus Tichelaar mentioned on his death certificate ?

 

There are more questions than answers at the moment and I hope Frank will find/get the

answer soon !

 

Happy hunting everyone,

 

Groetjes,

 

Rian Capello

   

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hoi Kèren and all,

 

I agree with you, I also think it's a mistake, but when he didn't appear for the Court Martial in

Groningen I think we have to turn our attention to the court in Appingedam.

 

I also would like to know what's on his wifes' death certificate and on the marriage certificate

of his daughter. She was a minor when she married.

Frank do you have those certificates ?

 

Does anyone know if there are old newspapers online for Groningen ?

Here in Zeeland the Zeeuws Archief and the Zeeuwse Bibliotheek are very busy to put

everything on the internet. Hopefully they do the same in Groningen soon.

 

Well I think we have to wait till Frans is home Tuesday and has a chance to study his

records.

 

Have a great evening,

 

Groetjes,

 

Rian Capello 

 

Military Prison Oegstgeest

De akte's etc. van Appingedam zijn on line in te zien.

http://www.groningerarchiefnet.nl/?option=com_archiefnet_genealogie

E.L.Smit

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Hoi E.L. ,

 

Jammer genoeg is de vrouw van Klaas in Loppersum overleden en zijn dochter is

in Groningen getrouwd.

We moeten gewoon nog even geduld hebben tot het allemaal zichtbaar wordt via de

fantastische site van Alle Groningers.

 

Appingedam liep voorop met het plaatsen van de akten on-line in Groningen, misschien kunnen

ze nu beginnen met de gerechtelijke archieven, vooral de periode 1841 -1847

 

Met vriendelijke groeten en een fijne avond,

 

Rian Capello

 

Military Prison Oegstgeest

Beste allemaal

thank you all for your pointers and help. The death cert of Klaas in short states...

"On 17 N0v 1846 Oegstgeest verscheen Teunis de Jong 36 gevaningsbewaarder en Henry Robert de Meer zonder beroep that op deze datum om 4 uur in de nacht in het huis # ( hard to read but could be honderd achtig, but we know from likewise certs that it was the prison formerly het Pesthuys) overleeden is Klaas Tulp zoon van Freerk Klaassens en Helena Bastiaan Siewerts van beroep militair,  oud 32 and geboren te Appingedam, gewoond hebbende alhier (Oegstgeest) doch laatst te Appingedam prov Groningen. Onderteekend......"

No mentioning of his wife. On her death cert it states "Tietje Hendricus Tichelaar, 34, died 16 Maart 1848, Loppersum, wife of Klaas Freerks Tulp."

His son's wedding cert just state both parents

And so the riddle goes on. I did sent a e-mail to Appingedam some time ago but never got any type of an answer. So what's next ? I guess I'll try and see if someone in Groningen could have a look for me.

Have a good one    Frans

Military Prison Oegstgeest

For info of  the gemeente's Appingedam,Loppersum,Stedum,Middelstum and 't Zandt you should mail to

 appingedam.nl">j.hillengaappingedam.nl.

Mr. Hillenga is the keeper of the records, and normally he answers his mail.

 

E.L.Smit

Military Prison Oegstgeest

Goedenavond medespeurders,

 

Hieronder de link naar de huwelijksakte van zoon Freerk Klaassen Tulp (ik hoop dat 't werkt ) 

 

http://www.groningerarchiefnet.nl/?option=com_archiefnet_genealogie&iVerzameling=33&task=foto&popUpTjp=352997

 

Daarin kunnen we lezen dat zijn beide ouders zijn overleden, jammer genoeg staan er geen

plaatsen van overlijden bij.

 

Met vriendelijke groeten,

 

Rian Capello

Military Prison Oegstgeest

Rian en anderen,

The "huwelijks bijlagen" of the son Freerk tell us that the father Klaas died in Oegstgeest and the mother Tietje died in Loppersum. The kids were born in Appingedam and Klaas' death cert stated that he previously lived in Appingedam.

His Nationaal Militie cert stated that he did not need  to serve . He pulled #56 in 1833.

have a good one    Frans

Military Prison Oegstgeest

 

Well,I sent a query to jhillengaappingedam.nl and it was returned to me as undeliverable.!!

so I'll try something else.

Frans