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I am trying to work out who Henriette's parents are. In the Morbeck list she is not mentioned. She married Lambert Elfrink in Pasoeroean, Java on 22 April 1914. Her son (Paul) says she had 2 sisters and a brother. The brother was in the Navy and died when his ship capsized - his name is possibly Charles Morbeck. Of the 2 sisters, he can only remember Tante Eli ?? Her mother's family were Indonesian (quite wealthy, I think) as Paul refers to them as his "Indonesian grandparents" and she was quite dark (and beautiful). She is related to Henry Morbeck who owned the Marine Hotel but we are not sure how. She is not one of his daughters. She died in 's-Gravenhage on 18 Feb 1934. No parents are noted.  Hope somebody can help.

Libby Elfrink

Elizabeth Elfrink

Sippe

Hello Sippe,

I have seen all of these articles but they don't give her parent's names.

It is a mystery

Libby

Elizabeth Elfrink

Sippe

Elisabeth

Elisabeth

Hello Elisabeth and Sippe,

Thank you but I have been in contact with Ernst and neither of us can work out who her father is. I have the information about Charles Morbeck and only found out Henriette had a brother in the Navy last week.  I am assuming that is him but can't find his parents either.

Libby

Elizabeth Elfrink

Johnhenry

Henri Morbeck was gehuwd met Marie Elisabeth Leyder (zie www.roosjeroos.nl).

G.Karssenberg

Thank you all for all the links but I still can't find Henriette's parents on any document.

I think it maybe Henri Morbeck and Marie Leyder but still don't know.

Libby

Elizabeth Elfrink

Dit zou de aanname extra kunnen ondersteunen / This would be the additional assumption can support:


De ouders van Henri Morbeck (geb. 2-12-1866) zijn Henricus Josephus Antonius Morbeck & Sophia Terneus.

De ouders van Johanna Maria Elisabeth Leyder zijn vermoedelijk Johan Anthony George Leyder en Altjie Elisabeth Kok. 
 
bron: http://www.stamboomforum.nl/familienamen/2/23480/0/morbeck_terneus_leyder_amsterdam_ned_indie_ca_18201900

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http://www.stamboomforum.nl/familienamen/2/23480/0/morbeck_terneus_leyder_amsterdam_ned_indie_ca_18201900

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http://www.stamboomforum.nl/subfora/127/2/24201/0/opzoeken_in_dvd_digitale_naslag_nr_6
 

De kinderen van Henri Morbeck en Maria Elisabeth Leijder zijn:
1.Sophie Josephine Aline Morbeck is geboren op 19 mei 1891 in Mojokerto, Indonesië en overleden op 9 jul. 1960 in Groningen, Nederland.
2. ? Henriette Ottorine Morbeck is geboren op 10 jun. 1892 in Pasuruan, Indonesië en overleden op een onbekende datum.
3. Henri Morbeck is geboren op 12 aug. 1893 in Pasuruan, Indonesië en overleden op een onbekende datum.
4. ? Charles Morbeck is geboren op 24 jun. 1896 in Pasuruan, Indonesië en overleden op 24 okt. 1943 in Osaka, Japan.
5. Wilhelmina Morbeck is geboren Omstreeks 1900 in Pasuruan, Indonesië en overleden op 9 mrt. 1934 in Soerabaja.
(de ? is een aanname, maar moeder van Charles/Carlos = Marie)

Als je kijkt naar vernoemingen, dan zou het kunnen kloppen / If you look at the names, it could be true:
- Sophie J.A. Morbeck is de vernoeming van Sophia Terneus (grandmother)
- Henriette O. Morbeck is de vernoeming van Henricus Josephus Antonius Morbeck (grandfather)
- Henri is de vernoeming van zijn vader Henri Morbeck (father)
Qua geboortedata past het allemaal op een rijtje / As for birth dates fit it all in a row.

(andere bronnen/other sources: www.digitalestamboom.nl & www.kb.nl & http://195.242.171.17/hga/virtuelestudiezaal/WebsitePubliek/SelectieBron.aspx & www.roosjeroos.nl)

(Sorry, my english is not good, I hope you understand)

Monique

Thank you Monique,

I have been to all the sites everybody has given me and still found very little. It fits in with what my father in law told me on Friday. Unfortunately he is gravely ill so when I showed him the picture of "The Marine Hotel" he smiled and said that is where my mother was born. He said she had 2 sisters which fits your information and perhaps Sophie was the Tante Ali he was talking about (Aline being her 3rd name). My husband was born in Groningen so she living  there makes sense. He said her brother was in the Marines and the boat capsized but that could be wrong. I feel that Carlos/Charles is that brother - I don't know why. He has done a tree for me but at the moment we don't know where he has put it. His property is in storage. I am doing this to keep my mind off how ill he is.

Thank you everybody

Libby Elfrink

PS Your English is excellent. 

Elizabeth Elfrink

OSAKA NO 5 DISPATCHED CAMP -KAWASAKI-JUKO-KOBE
10  Morbeck Carlos    hartverlamming

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http://www.wereldoorlog2.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=34

Carlos Morbeck died by a  hartfailure

ask SIFA about the information they have for Morbeck and Leijder :  http://www.indischfamiliearchief.nl/

Johnhenry

Thank you Hendrikjan,

Last night I read a link which said he had TB but he could have had both especially as a POW (I am a nurse).I find it sad to know one of my sons' relatives was a POW. On my side of the family, 2 of my Uncles were part of the occupation forces post war. I cannot imagine the horror they endured. Something tells me Carlos was her brother or is it perhaps, my maiden name is Charles and I want it to be him!!!!!

Libby

Elizabeth Elfrink


I'm not sure whether you've seen the following, but as "Morbeck" isn't too common, it could be worth contacting the owners of this site as they might have more details:

Christina Sophia Lans is geboren op 29-12-1907 in Banda, dochter van Frederik Willem Lans en Amelia Pauline (Lien) Geerards. Christina is overleden in 1951 in Malang, 43 of 44 jaar oud. Christina trouwde met Carlos Morbeck. Carlos is overleden in 1940.

Kind van Christina en Carlos:

Eduard Morbeck, geboren op 05-08-1941 in Bodjonegoro. Eduard is overleden op 10-05-2000 in ’s-Gravenhage, 58 jaar oud.

(link: http://www.stamboom-lans.nl/Stamboom%20Ad/Parenteel%20Karst.htm )  

ie Carlos could have been married to a Christina Sophia Lans (1907-1951) with whom he had a son called Eduard (1941-2000).  

Sylvia

Ozlady







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