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Please could someone help with information about my great grandfather, Martinus Eyssell/Eijssell, who emigrated to South Africa in about 1860. Here is what I (think) I know:

Father Martinus Eyssell Mz/M. M. Eyssell (1781-1852), auditeur militair en notaris. 

Mother Maria Martina Meijer (1795-1886).

They married on 28 November 1816, Hoogeloon, Hapert en Casteren, Noord-Brabant. They had 16 children. I can trace the birth notices of all of them  in 's Gravenhage except my great grandfather Martinus. He could fit in in 1817 or 1820-1821. Or he could have been illegitimate...

However, I have letters written by M M Eyssell to the Departement van Oorlog, on behalf of his son Martinus, asking that:

1841 - his son be transferred from the 8th Infantry Regiment to the 1st Battalion, 6th Infantry Regiment

November 1842 - his son, a titular Sergeant in the 6th Infantry Regiment, be given an extension of leave

January 1843 - his son may be transferred to the Indisch Leger.

I also have letters, 1873-1874, signed with love from his mother, M M E/M M Meijer.

According to the 1850 census and the Bevolkingsregister Bladel 1850-1859, Martinus was born in Den Haag and was living in Bladel, but left for Hoogeloon on 14 May 1850.

He also had an illegitimate daughter Antoinette Martina Wilhelmina Gijsberta (mother Wilhelmina Antonetta Gijsbert Mijnard, d. 6 April 1850, Hoogeloon) , b. 22 February 1850, Hoogeloon, Nordbrabant, Netherlands. Martinus acknowledged paternity on 23 February 1850. Antoinette lived with him in South Africa.

Martinus married Charlotte Augusta Russell, from Bath in England, either before he came to South Africa or by proxy and she came later.

The question is, why would someone from an upper middle class family of lawyers and military in The Hague, take off for a hell hole in the then northern most part of South Africa?

Martinus died in 1877 in Middelburg, Transvaal, South Africa.

 

I would be very grateful for any information. Many thanks. Eldene Eyssell

Eldene Eyssell - 2 dec 2021 - 15:19 (laatst bijgewerkt 2 dec 2021 — 16:18 door moderator)

let's start off with his military studbook from the 8th regiment [here]: Martinus Eijssell, date of birth 22/06/1821 The Hague:
op den 30 November 1838 in dienst gesteld als
vrijwilliger dingende naar den rang van
officier voor den tijd van acht jaren, eene
maand en 1 dag; ingevolge aanschrijving
van de departement van oorlog van den
12 november 1838, n°12

serg[ean]t titulair 10 julij 1840

and the studbook of the 6th regiment [here]

the studbook of the Algemeen Depot der Landmacht nr. 33 [here]: op den 2 mei 1843 overgegaan aan boord van het schip Batavia bestemd naar O.I.

and the studbook (suppletiefolio) of the East Indies [here] ..  a relatively short stay:
ter beschikking van het Koloniaal Werfdepot gesteld zijnde
den 25 Mei 1844 naar Nederland teruggezonden met het schip 
Jan Daniël den 20 September 1844 te Hellevoetsluis ontscheept 
en vervolgend bij gemeld depot te Harderwijk in de stukke gebragt

the studbook upon his return [here]: he returned because of physical defects end renounced his military entitlements

Op den 26 september 1844 met paspoort wegens
ligchaamsgebreken en op zijn verlangen, afstand
doende van alle aanspraak op militaire belooning

Peter B - 2 dec 2021 - 15:57 (laatst bijgewerkt 2 dec 2021 — 16:36 door auteur)

Vervolgens ontslag uit het leger 26-9-1844 View file | Nationaal Archief

Frank Fransz - 2 dec 2021 - 16:34

Peter B, this is too wonderful. Thank you so very much. Even down to descriptions of his nose and chin. I love it. Kind regards, Eldene

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Eldene Eyssell - 2 dec 2021 - 16:37

His birth certificate [here].

Kind regards, Ben

ps link is not correct. See reaction of Peter

Ben Wegman - 2 dec 2021 - 16:38 (laatst bijgewerkt 2 dec 2021 — 17:00 door auteur)

Thank you so much, Frank Franz.

Eldene Eyssell - 2 dec 2021 - 16:42

Service records ('Staat van Dienst') of his father 1800-1803.

A letter to M. Eijssell was undeliverable in Batavia in december 1844, which agrees with Peter's findings above.

I've not been able to find his birthrecord.

-Bart- - 2 dec 2021 - 16:42

@Ben: the amended link to his birth record [here]

According to the 1850 census and the Bevolkingsregister Bladel 1850-1859, Martinus was born in Den Haag and was living in Bladel, but left for Hoogeloon on 14 May 1850.

for the population registers of Hoogeloon → [here] ... I haven't looked up the right page

Peter B - 2 dec 2021 - 16:49 (laatst bijgewerkt 2 dec 2021 — 16:54 door auteur)

Thank you, Bart. That is so interesting. You guys are amazing.

Eldene Eyssell - 2 dec 2021 - 16:53

Thank you, Peter for correction.

Regards, Ben

Ben Wegman - 2 dec 2021 - 16:59

Thank you, thank you , Peter B. So all is legitimate. I was really starting to think that he must have been the black sheep of the family (though a very loved one, going by the letters from his mother and sister). Also, not having a patronym in the early days of South Africa usually indicates that the person is either illegitimate or an orphan.

I wonder if Martinus 'married' Charlotte Russell in the Netherlands. The family mythology is that they got 'married by glove' (proxy) before she came out. As far as I can ascertain, 'marrying by glove' is a Dutch tradition. They supposedly met when he went to study as a pharmacist/doctor in Bath and he lodged with her parents. But my family have made up a lot of stories.

Eldene Eyssell - 2 dec 2021 - 17:07


Thank you, Ben Wegman, for taking an interest.

Eldene Eyssell - 2 dec 2021 - 17:08







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