Greetings:

As you guessed correctly, I am seeking the parentage and origins of Pancraes Cornelisz Seijlmaeker of 17th century Alkmaar.

What I know about the family is as follows:

Pancraes Cornelisz Seijlmaeker, was born possibly about 1600.  Married possibly in the 1624 period to Maritgen Jansdr.  Pancraes was buried on 16 June 1646 in Alkmaar.  

From this notarial deed, dated 15 September 1644, children from this union include Cornelis, Jan, and Claes:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS85-CR6H?i=193&cat=2713215

One son, Cornelis, was buried on 21 July 1643.

I found what appears to be a marriage registration for Jan Pancraes Seijlmaeker and Guurtje Claes daughter of Claes Dircksz?, dated 3 September 1649:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9QV-1S37?i=45&cc=2037985&cat=230419

Could Guurtje Claes, wife of Jan Pancraes Seijlmaeker, be the daughter of this man?:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ1-M3NG-D?i=451&cat=2713215

Beyond that these finds, I have been unable to locate the marriage of Pancraes and Maritgen Jansdr, let alone their baptisms as well as those of their children.

Possible siblings of Pancraes?:

Adrien Cornelis Seijlmaeker (8 October 1624):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ1-M3NT-W?i=415&cat=2713215

Adrien Cornelis Seijlmaeker (22 October 1624):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ1-M3NT-5?i=417&cat=2713215

Gerrit Cornelis Seijlmaeker (12 May 1618):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ1-M3NR-C?i=433&cat=2713215

Gerrit Cornelis Seijlmaeker (15 February 1622):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ1-M3NG-H?i=435&cat=2713215

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Dag,

misschien heeft u hier iets aan?

https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/personen-zoeken/zoeken-in-personen/persons?f=%7B%22search_s_register_gemeente%22:%7B%22v%22:%22Alkmaar%22%7D%7D&sa=%7B%22person_1%22:%7B%22search_t_voornaam%22:%22pan*r*%22%7D%7D&sort=%7B%22order_i_datum%22:%22asc%22%7D

vriendelijke groet Anne

historisch kadaster alkmaar:

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Kadastraal perceelnummer
Kad.A
Kad.A

Datering:1677.06.26

Bron:RAA, Arch. RK Wees- en Armenhuis nr.86 (!?? = 108?) / VZI 1 reg.414

Schuldbrief van f440 te betalen in 3 termijnen, wegens de koop van een lijnbaan binnen Alkmaar aan de WZ Binnenbanen,
Belend:
zuid Symon Heertjes = Kad.A , 
noord Cornelis Baes = Kad.A , 
west de Baansloot , 
door Cornelis Coomans gekocht van de kinderen en erfg. van Jan Pancrasz zeylemaker c.s. 

BLOK51

[ A 'Lijnbaan' = ropeway, place where rope is being manufactured. Persons profession would be 'Touwslager' = rope maker.
But: rope would be an essential part of the business of making sails => Seijlmaecker. Btw: Jan must have died before june 1677]

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Kadastraal perceelnummer
Kad.A1095 = Vp205
Kad.A1095 = Vp205

Datering:1718

Bron:RAA, SA 716, Verp. 1e kwartier

Rissevoort OZ fol.48v-1 (25): 
1710 Trijntie Andries wed. Claas Pancrasz, 
1717 Arie Hilbrantsz van Egmont, 
1725 Frans Voorhout f7.12 

BLOK43-w

[I doubt about this one. Lets say Claas was born about 1630, and was married ~1655 with his wife born ~1635. Then she must have died aged about 82 (1717) and was a widow since - at least -1671 - see next entry. It's all possible, but I would expect re-marriage for a widow in her 30's. Btw: So the possible name of Claas' spouse is "Trijntie Andries"]

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Kadastraal perceelnummer
Kad.B622
Kad.B622

Datering:1671.04.30

Bron:RAA, ORA 161 fol.53 nr.52 / onderzoek J.W.Balder

Transport van huis en erf ZZ Verdronkenoord,
Belend:
oost Thijs Cornelisz timmerman = Kad.B623, 
west wed. Claas Pancras = Kad.B621

, door Cornelis Dircx Soyers aan Lieve Cornelisz Clocq; prijs f-
Titel:1650.05.05

BLOK74-n

[ Btw: Claas must have died before april 1671.]

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Kadastraal perceelnummer
Kad.B621
Kad.B621

Datering:1628.10.31

Bron:RAA, SA 1893, Platinggeld

Dronckenoort ZZ nr.39 huis met osendroppen
Eigenaar:Bancraes Cornelisz

Bewoner:] breed[16v 1d alkm. maat

Bedrag:30.11

BLOK74-n

[It looks like the house where Pancraes Cornelis lived in 1628 was inherited by his son Claas since the widow of Claes Pancraes is living there in 1671 - see previous entry]

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[ Could possibly the person below be the father of Bancraes Cornelis Seijlmaecker?]

Kadastraal perceelnummer
Kad.B1108, Kad.B1153 en Kad.B1151, Kad.B1152?
Kad.B1108, Kad.B1153 en Kad.B1151, Kad.B1152?

Datering:1630.07.24

Bron:RAA, SA 1758 reg.740 en reg.741

Transport en van een huis gen.
PN:'t Huys ter Ameyde

met het klein huisje daar beoosten aan en twee kamers daarachter of bezijden, met de gerechtigheid tot en aan de westerwalle en de houtille volgens akte van 1586.12.18, gelegen aan de Nieuwestadt aan de Voormeersche Meerbrugge,
Belend:oost Anna Dubbelde Gerritsdr = Kad.B1109, noord en west de Meerbrug, zuid Cornelis Pietersz Lontstock = Kad.B1150?

, door Jacob Verschure, koopman te Amsterdam, gehuwd met Janneken van der Ameyde reeds in 1627 verkocht aan Broer Reyersz Groot, schipper Met schuldbrief van f6287 te voldoen in 7 parten tlv. Soutje Broers, hvr. van Broer Reyersz die afwezig is op de verre vaart, met haar voogd Cornelis Thomasz zeylmaker, oud schepen. In dorso: kwitantie van Jacob Verschuere 1633.06.27. In inventaris: bijlagen bij akte van overeenkomst inzake wegruiming van de houttil d.d. 1629.05.08. BLOK86-n
GEN:ONA 47-4, not.H.J.vdLijn: 1612.04.13, hv Jacob Verschuer van Rotterdam (geass. met ouders Joost V. en Mar. Jacobs en zwager Pieter Noortdijck) x Jannetje van der Ameyde (geass. met grootvader Borrit Hendriksz Muyden en moeder Grietje Borrits dan gehuwd met Huybert Michielsz Bruyn)

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Another possibility: A Cornelis Gerbransz Seijlemaker died in 1621. Gerbransz = Gerrits? => so Gerrit Cornelis - see above - is named after his paternal grandfather?

Thanks, Anne and Bart.  I found this item:

https://www.nationaalarchief.nl/onderzoeken/index/nt00317/9adc8624-7f18-102d-a42b-005056a23d00

Bart:

It looks like Jan Pacraeszn's burial on 22 August 1671 (scan 28):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89QV-TNYC?i=27&cc=2037985&cat=230843

Where would I find this?

Datering:1677.06.26

Bron:RAA, Arch. RK Wees- en Armenhuis nr.86 (!?? = 108?) / VZI 1 reg.414

Schuldbrief van f440 te betalen in 3 termijnen, wegens de koop van een lijnbaan binnen Alkmaar aan de WZ Binnenbanen,
Belend:
zuid Symon Heertjes = Kad.A , 
noord Cornelis Baes = Kad.A , 
west de Baansloot , 
door Cornelis Coomans gekocht van de kinderen en erfg. van Jan Pancrasz zeylemaker c.s. 

BLOK51

[ A 'Lijnbaan' = ropeway, place where rope is being manufactured. Persons profession would be 'Touwslager' = rope maker.
But: rope would be an essential part of the business of making sails => Seijlmaecker. Btw: Jan must have died before june 1677]

Can't quite decipher what follows Claes Dircksz's name in this marriage record/registration for Jan Pancraes Seijlmaeker and Guurtje Claes, dated 3 September 1649:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9QV-1S37?i=45&cc=2037985&cat=230419

"scoenmar"- schoenmaker - "wonend" in Hoffstraet.

Thanks.  :)

er zijn documenten te vinden onder de boedelpapieren van de weeskamer [hier, scan 5 e.v.]  

Re: "Where would I find this?"

Answer: I am not knowledgeable as to the archives in Alkmaar, but...

Bron:RAA, Arch. RK Wees- en Armenhuis nr.86 (!?? = 108?) / VZI 1 reg.414

...I guess RAA stands for 'Regionaal Archief Alkmaar' and then the archives of the Roman Catholic orphanidge, the numbers following would indicate access numbering scheme used by the local archive.

Possibly to be found somewhere here. 

Thanks, Peter B. and Bart, for your helpful replies.  Pancraes Cornelisz certainly had a huge file (255 scans).  However, because of the file, I was able to pinpoint the death of his wife, Maritgen Jansdr.;, as seen here in scan number 147, date 24 February 1656 where she is clearly identified as the widow of Pancraes Cornelisz:  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99QV-TQBN?i=146&cc=2037985&cat=230843

Due to the commonality of her patronymic, I think it's highly unlikely I'll find the parents of Maritgen Jansdr.  So, far, I haven't found anything more on Claes Dircksz, "scoenmar"- schoenmaker - "wonend" in Hoffstraet.  Thank you, G. Karssenberg, for helping me decipher Claes's occupation. Claes was the father of Guurtje Claes who married Jan Pancraes Seijlmaeker in September 1649.

Hi Bart:

Found one of the heirs referred to in the 1677 record you found (which I haven't located yet).  This is from 24 October 1684, concerning Geertje/Guurtje Jansdr, daughter of Jan Pancreaszn, zeylemaker, wife of Cornelis Lourisz Croon.

https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.003/1.29.1.10/start/420/limit/10/highlight/8

I have just focussed again on another document: the weeskamer papers that Peter located. And I must say I am surprised that nobody else has mentionned this yet. In the beginning of this string I've been speculating about a couple persons named Cornelis (Gerbransz, Thomasz) Seijlemaker possibly being the father of Pancraes Cornelisz Seijlmaeker ("Seeking parentage/origins of"). Speculation because of lack of real data.

Now, reading the weeskamer papers (first page, bottom) I think I read - Date: 17 februari 1652 -: "[...] verclaerde gemaect, ende aen haer kinderen geprelegateert heeft, 't geene volchens D'erff [ or: volcht, D'erst ? ] aen Pancras Cornelisz, de soon van Cornelis Pancraesz: een dubbelde ????? ?????, aen Jan [?] Pancraesz, een gouden Keijsers Penning, ende een silveren Keijsers Penning Claas Pancrasz een gouden ???? ???? Keijsers Penning ende Cornelis Pancrasz een Bijbel [...]"

So, what is being said here? Either Maritgen Jans is talking about

(A) Future inheritance of goods to her late husband Pancras Cornelisz, de soon van Cornelis Pancraesz being pre-legated amongst her children, or
(B) Future inheritance of goods to her grandson Pancras Cornelisz, de soon van Cornelis Pancraesz (her son)

My guess would be (logics) : (A), since on the next page [?also?] her son Cornelis Pancreasz is mentionned: "[...] ende Cornelis Pancrasz een Bijbel [...]" => where '?also?' would mean Cornelis' branch is being legated twice, which is not logical in my point of view.

I am still very much in doubt. (A) would mean that we have found the father of Pancraes Cornelisz in so many words.

I'ts all about how one would read this. Either

(A) volchens D'erff aen Pancras Cornelisz, de soon van Cornelis Pancraesz: [ 3 branches: Jan, Claas, Cornelis ]
- een dubbelde ????? ????? aen Jan [?] Pancraesz, 
- een gouden Keijsers Penning, ende een silveren Keijsers Penning [aen] Claas Pancrasz; een gouden ???? ???? Keijsers Penning
- ende Cornelis Pancrasz een Bijbel [...]

(B)  volcht, D'erst [ 4 branches, Cornelis' son being the exception, and being legated first in so many words ("D'erst")]
- aen Pancras Cornelisz, de soon van Cornelis Pancraesz: een dubbelde ????? ?????, 
- aen Jan [?] Pancraesz, een gouden Keijsers Penning, ende een silveren Keijsers Penning 
- Claas Pancrasz een gouden ???? ???? Keijsers Penning
- ende Cornelis Pancrasz een Bijbel [...]

Dated 1652 means that the supposed grandson Pancras Cornelisz would have been a just little infant. Is he being legated first, and separate from his father Cornelis, because he is named after his grandfather? Even more, since you say "One son, Cornelis, was buried on 21 July 1643." => how can he be legated a Bible in 1652? And: is the reason that this document is written in 1652 (Pancraes died in 1646) that the supposed granson was a newborn?

I am still quite puzzled by the proper interpretation.

And continuing these thoughts: "One son, Cornelis, was buried on 21 July 1643." Obviously, the timeline would make it rather tight to have a son. So - since also Cornelis is being legated a Bible in 1652 - is the burial in 1643 maybe the burial of the supposed father of Pancraes?

More continuation of thoughts:

1) How to interpret 'kinderen'? 'Children' meaning the persons following to be legated exclusively being her children - and not grandchildren, implicating that the 'Pancraes Cornelisz' mentionned here must be her late husband? Or am I being 'word picky'?

2) How to interpret 'geprelegateert'? 
- Gelegateerd (legated) means that you determine that something you own is to be given to somebody specific after you die. 
- So 'geprelegateerd' would then mean that something you do not yet own, but expect to be owning in the future (here: because of a specific legacy to be expected, earmarked to her late husband) is to be given so somebody specific after you die?

Hi Bart:

Being picky is a good thing and thank you for taking the time to try and sort out this confusing puzzle.

On the child of Pancraes Cornelisz, I was perhaps too hasty in identifying a child named Cornelis who was buried in 1643.

The first source where I made this premature conclusion was through this link:

https://www.openarch.nl/raa:6b3d9850-5e8e-4dbf-ba2d-a489996d2b3b

What I really should have done is look at the actual record, not the transcription:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99QV-T737?i=99&cc=2037985&cat=230843

Here it just says "kint van" Pancraes Cornelisz."

Since I haven't located baptisms of all the children of Pancraes Cornelisz and Maritgen Jansdr, we obviously do not know the specific name of the deceased child in 1643.  The legal document from 1656 appears to have identified three children: Jan, Claas, and Cornelis.

Unsure if I have resolved the puzzle or made it worse.  Again, I deeply appreciate the explanations.

Also, it appears I have found a second marriage for Jan Pancraes from 1666:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9QV-1QWF?i=228&cc=2037985&cat=230419

Re: "On the child of Pancraes Cornelisz[...]"

=> In my mind this leaves the question wide open, since the possibility of a grandson Pancraes, son of Cornelis having been born, for instance shortly before the document of 1652 is written is very realistic. 

In other words: the (wrongly assumed fact of the) death of Cornelis in 1643 can no longer be used to prove the supposed grandson could not have existed. But the wording of this 'legate' is still as puzzling as before to me.

And yes, there no longer is a problem with that Bible being pre(!)legated to Cornelis.

interestingly, on page 36 of the inventory documents the children are mentioned as "Cornelis, Jan ende Claes Bancrassoonen vander Velden, naergelaete kinderen van de voornoemde Maritie Jans"

the guardian of the children of Cornelis Pancrasz on the maternal side is Jacob Florisz Foncq

and on page 57 a note from Trijntien Sevenhuijsen: "Ontfangen bij mij ondergeschr. wed. wijlen den h. Jacob de Haas zal. uijt handen van mijn neef Cornelis Sevenhuijsen als gesurrogeerde voogd over de kinderen van Cornelis Pancrasz zal."