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Apparently, the other thread I started was rated as "solved."  Far from it.

Meantime, I found this public record which I believe is in the first mention of Engelbert Hoevels, recorded 24/26 November 1650:

333 - Borculo - Rechtspraak in civiele zaken - Ordinair stad- of landgericht

https://www.flickr.com/photos/genealogiedomein/53283168552/in/album-72177720312178365/

Edit: Turns out, first mention I could find of Engelbert was 21 January 1650:

ORA Borculo, inv.nr. 16:
Minuten van akten in het crimineel gerichtsignaat,
1647-1685

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSYT-4SBJ-W?cat=59427&i=35

Steve Barnhoorn 2 - 4 sep 2024 - 17:34 (laatst bijgewerkt 4 sep 2024 — 17:47 door auteur)


Apparently, the other thread I started was rated as "solved."  Far from it.

Link to the other thread 

If you want to remove the word "opgelost" (solved) from that question, you can click on the pink button below the last message ("haal opgelost markering weg").

Anneke 12 - 5 sep 2024 - 14:45







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