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Profiel afbeelding

Names of first 2 children

  1. Antonie Christoffel (son)
  2. Margaretha Magdalena (daughter)

correspond with names below. Could this be coincidence? 

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richard ambagtsheer - 29 dec 2019 - 12:22

If Hendrik (or Johannes) married Susanna Elisabeth Smith born ca 1772, also Hendrik (or Johannes) could be much older and the text in marriage register could easily mean he was living (in 1818) in Dordrecht but born in another place.

That too is a possibility. 

One must also consider that being an immigrant, he (a young man) may have married an older spinster.

So we are faced with the following options :

  1. Either Hendrik was very young (minimum 16 years) and married an older lady -OR-
  2. Hendrik was much older than originally thought.
  3. If "1." above is correct, he may have been born in Dordrecht; -OR- it may have been the town he emigrated from.
  4. If "2." above is correct, he may have been born in a different town; -OR- he was born in Dordrecht, but much earlier?

From his son's baptism certificate (dated 5 Feb 1832 - born 23 June 1828) it states that Hendrik was already deceased; which means he died during the period 1827-1832. His (Hendrik's) death certificate is not available.

Uitgeschreven lid - 29 dec 2019 - 12:52

If Susanna Elisabeth Smit was born ± 1772 she would have been 46 years old in 1818 when she married Hendrik (or Johannes). That is rather old to have 4 children who were born after the marriage in 1818.

Are you sure that Susanna Elisabeth Smit who married Hendrik (or Johannes) de Ridder is the same person as Susanna Elisabeth Smit who was born ± 1772?

You have a very valid point.

It could also be that the date of birth (+- 1771) for Susanna Elisabeth Smit was perhaps incorrect?

Uitgeschreven lid - 29 dec 2019 - 13:03

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found on google.

richard ambagtsheer - 29 dec 2019 - 15:46

Yes these are correct. I commissioned a genealogy researcher to find these records. Images belong to me. I uploaded them via internet.

Uitgeschreven lid - 29 dec 2019 - 15:54

Marriage text shows:

Hendrik de Ridder, geb. (= born) in Dordrecht (JM) (Jongeman, meaning not married before) from ???

Behind his wife's name I read JD (= jong dochter, same maeaning) from ??

richard ambagtsheer - 29 dec 2019 - 16:10

Hendrik de Ridder, b. (= born) in Dordrecht (JM) (Young man, meaning not married before) from ???

Behind his wife's name I read JD (= young daughter, same maeaning) from ??

?? = "Cango, Distrik George"

Cango is an area near Oudtshoorn & Calitzdorp, and George indicates the district (today George is a fully fledged city).

Uitgeschreven lid - 29 dec 2019 - 16:24

For me the image resolution of the marriage registration is too low. Can you provide a link (not the geni), or upload on this discussion the original image ?

Peter S - 29 dec 2019 - 16:33

Provide me with an email address and I will submit originals (as received) to you.

Uitgeschreven lid - 29 dec 2019 - 22:25

I don't have an anonymous email address and therefore invite you to upload a picture on this forum by the following steps:
Click here: https://www.mupload.nl/
Click on "Browse"
Browse to the image file
Click on "Upload je afbeelding"
Copy and paste the last URL into a new reaction on this forum.
Anyway, there are many similar websites, such as https://postimages.org/ (from where the 2nd URL should be copied).

Peter S - 29 dec 2019 - 22:47

Uitgeschreven lid - 29 dec 2019 - 23:17

Have you received the images?

Uitgeschreven lid - 30 dec 2019 - 22:55

Not exactly where you are looking for: 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRLQ-Z1Q

Name mother Maria de Ridder and child with names Antony Johannes Christroffel Ring in september 1747.

So in 1747 Maria De Ridder already lived in South Africa and names Antonie and Christoffel are same to some names in this posting. 

 

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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DZN4-W9V?i=15&cc=1478678

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see also here: 

https://www.eggsa.org/sarecords/index.php/church-registers/cape-town-baptisms-1743-1756/334-cape-town-baptisms-1747

You could check transcripts of other years.

richard ambagtsheer - 31 dec 2019 - 22:54

Wow !!!

This was an eye-opener!

I found many death, birth, marriage register inscriptions.

However, as you say - It doesn't answer my original question - if anything, it raises EVEN MORE questions!

Uitgeschreven lid - 2 jan 2020 - 23:05


In which place marriage of Hendrik with mrs Smith in 1818 took place. Do you have a weblink to that register ?

richard ambagtsheer - 3 jan 2020 - 09:51







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