When working with Drenthe records, many times I've pulled up a digital record and the event date was missing from the screen. If I went back to the Search results screen I could usually find the date and was able to proceed.
However, I've recently been back and forth between Noord-Brabant and Groningen records and am now finding digital records that are missing the name, date and place on the digital record screen and the Search results screen is missing dates as well.
* Cornelis van den Ansem (Noord Brabant) -- There are many records in the Search results screen with him listed as Father (of births & deaths), however there are no dates listed. Click on any of these records and there is no name, date or place listed in header on the digital record.
* Frans Bakker (Veendam, Groningen) -- Many listings, but no dates listed on Search results screen, so finding MY guy is difficult, but click on any of the records without dates, and there is no name, date or place on the digital record screen.
I'm not sure if there is a problem linking (broken link) to certain archives or if this is an operator error when inputting? I've submitted several error reports, but since I'm finding many, many records like this, I don't think this is the most efficient way to sort out the problem.
Help please and thank you.
cakdg - 9 okt 2019 — 20:22 (laatst bijgewerkt 12 nov 2019 — 12:01 door moderator)
Openarchives or www.openarch.nl, I do all my searches in English if that makes a difference
cakdg - 15 okt 2019 — 23:38
There are other search engines such as https://www.wiewaswie.nl/nl/zoeken/ and https://www.archieven.nl/nl/person and https://www.familysearch.org/search/
Give this a try
ien lejeune - 16 okt 2019 — 12:17
Thank you for the information, however FamilySearch uses Openarchives as its source (at least for Dutch records) if you wish to see a scan of the vital record and I have been using Wiewaswie since this problem came to light, but often they don't have records for certain towns or provinces that Openarchives does (and vice versa).
I'm pretty sure the issue is due to broken links to certain archives as the scan is there and the link to the individual archive is there with name, place & date, its just not appearing on Openarchives digital records. I've sent about a hundred individual record error reports already and I've sent an e-mail to Openarchives as well. I just don't know if there is another way to elevate the issue to get it fixed?
cakdg - 16 okt 2019 — 18:31
If I understand correctly, you will see the deed entered but you cannot click through after the scan?
Sometimes you also have to pay to see a scan. Maybe that's the problem?
ien lejeune - 17 okt 2019 — 16:24
I am a paid subscriber to Openarchives and I have no problem with other records linked to Zuid-Holland, Utrecht, etc. Currently the issue is with records associated with Drenthe, Noord-Brabant and Groningen. Which makes me think it is a linking issue from Openarchives to the regional archives (i.e., AlleGroningers or Tilburg).
If you are familiar with Openarchives, you put in a name and search. You then get a Search Results screen with births, marriages, and deaths associated with that name. My problem is that there may be 30-40, or more, same names in the list that have no dates. I need to open each result to find out if it is the one I'm looking for, but when that digital record opens up there is no date there either. Usually the header has name, date and place of event, and the body of the record has the detail (i.e., mother, father, etc.). Currently the header will just say Birth or Death only. No date anywhere on digital record. I can click on the scan to figure it out, but I don't really wish to do this 10-20 times to make sure that this record is the one I am looking for.
cakdg - 17 okt 2019 — 19:55
I am also a paying member of open archives, so I know how it works. Can you give me a name so that I can see for myself how the prologue is expressed.
ien lejeune - 18 okt 2019 — 19:05
Normal Records as I usually see them
Records missing dates:
cakdg - 18 okt 2019 — 20:15
I see what you mean. Only the deed date is shown with the source reference. The fact that the event date is not shown is probably due to the Open Archives conversion system and the system used for the archives themselves. This will have to be adjusted both by OpenArchives and the relevant archives of which the deeds are. It is therefore not an error but a conversion problem.
ien lejeune - 18 okt 2019 — 20:55
Thank you for verifying
I've submitted 50-75 individual error reports in the last week or two and I've e-mailed Openarchives general email last week and no response as yet.
Family Search has been trying to help, but they think it is my computer/browser issue, which I would believe if I was having a system-wide issue and am not.
Is there another way to elevate the issue?
cakdg - 18 okt 2019 — 22:37
Wait and see what open archives say. Because it is more a beauty error than an error in the date, I think they will do nothing about it. Finally, when you open the deed you can see the event date.
ien lejeune - 19 okt 2019 — 11:42
Well, I can understand it being a beauty issue on the individual record, but it also makes searching difficult. If the only information I have on Hendrik Bakker is that he was born in Groningen sometime between 1810-1820, there are many records that come up in the Search Results list without dates that I have to open individually to find out if they are even in the date range, much less the record I am looking for.
I've been using Openarchives now for over two years and have made close to 9,000 genealogical profiles using their archive as source for the vital records, and never experienced this before. I guess when I am researching families from these regions, I will go directly to those archives as they have dates associated with the Search Results.
cakdg - 19 okt 2019 — 18:16
The deed below has appeared via wiewaswie.nl. I only entered Hendrik Bakker, child, 1810-1820. Only one came forward. Maybe consider using a different search engine.
BS Geboorte met Hendrik Bakker
Bron: boek, Deel: 6053, Periode: 1816
ien lejeune - 20 okt 2019 — 11:45
Yes, thank you and that is my point exactly. Because you had the dates in which to narrow down the search, in wiewaswie you came up with only 1 record that needed to be reviewed. However, in openarchives, there are about 30 records for Hendrik Bakker in the Search Result list when sorted down to Groningen and child. If I put in the date range I have, there are no records shown as none of these records have dates.
How is this useful?
This is what started my initial request for help. I thought the dates 'disappearing' from the digital records was tied to no dates showing up in the Search Results and as I had not encountered this previously, I thought it was a new issue to report. How disappointing if it isn't.
In the past I have used wiewaswie whenever openarchives didn't have records for a certain town (i.e., Oegstgeest), so I will continue to do so for these regional records without the dates as well.
Thank you for your assistance.
cakdg - 20 okt 2019 — 18:11
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