Im sorry, it takes me about half hour to work out  how to use this forum, hence my posts are all over the place, im sorry , i dont understand dutch at all,   but all this information  has been invaluable, ,  so im thanking those who have helped me  so much :) , i am still looking for  Paulus Meuren  s father roemond  perhaps,  but i have been searching for so long now, so perhaps  the name changed again,  im not sure if he had a brother christianus or not , ,  so if any one knows , please leave me a message, it would be very much appriciated,