Marriage 26-03-1885 Padang James Edward Townsend with Johanna Wilhelmina Kornmann

Kind regards, Ben

Perhaps he knows more about them:

http://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/stamboom-circkens/I1315.php

http://www.stamboomforum.nl/profiel/8802

Townsend-Kornmann is in here as well:

http://www.focusonline.nl/stamboom/edward_james_townsend_parenteel.html

Thanks! :)

do you have anything that ties them with Helena Albertine Townsend?  That is where I am missing the information.  at this point it would be just a guess if Johanna Kornman and James Townsend were actually related. :(

Considering that in your initial post the names Townsend and Kornman are listed as the parents of Helena Albertine, it seems quite reasonable to assume that the couple  James Edward Townsend and Johanna Wilhelmina Kornman are indeed her parents (it does need to be confirmed though). In the focusonline link there is no mention of a marriage between James Townsend and Johanna Kornman, nor of children, but maybe the people who made this just didn't have this information. I guess it is also possible that they never married, but did produce a child that was acknowledged by the father.

I found another site where Helena is listed, no parents/ancestors or children mentioned though.

www.ngv.nl/genealogie/getperson.php?personID=I2050&tree=AA120610

Maybe it would somehow be possible to trace children or grandchilderen of her son Frans Jansen in the USA to try and find out if they know anything.

My parents are decended from Helena (she is my great grand Oma, Unfortunatly Wilhelmus died quite young, and my mother never really knew him.  I have an email to my aunt who was Helena's caretaker for many years, but I have not heard back from her yet.  She is traveling (retired) with my uncle most of the time.

I think both Wilhelmus and Helena were born in indonesia, I know she was, and they married in indonesia, but indonesian records are hard to find.  My mother and her eldest brothers and sister were all born in indonesia, too.

I emailed Mr. Cirkens to let him know about the linage of Helena to add to his tree if he wanted to, but even he didn't put Helena together with James and Johanna and couldn't give me any more information on wether they were actually related.  I may just create a seperate tree for them until I can get proof.

Thanks again for all your help! :)

I emailed Werner Brühns today (the other website) to bring this thread under his attention. Perhaps he knows more.

Given the name Kornmann, plus that the family seems to have resided almost entirely in Padang, makes it unlikely that it wouldn't fit, I think.

You might try to obtain her certificate of death from America, that should provide the connection.

Found this one, in the mean time: http://gw5.geneanet.org/rvanderwal?lang=nl&m=N&v=TOWNSEND

Perhaps of use, who knows.

The source of the marriage is: Regeringsalmanak van Ned Indie 1815-1942.

Try to find the marriage act of Jansen- Townsend. I think that also in your neighbourhood there is a possibility to visit a familysearchcenter or to loan a familysearch film. You need filmnumber 172161.

 http://www.igv.nl/bs/1721261.html

Kind regards, Ben

http://sites.google.com/site/sumatraswestkust/sawah-loento-1880-1900
Search at this page for the genealogy Kornman.. The couple Townsend-Kornmann is mentioned

However, founding father Frederik Willem Kornmann was born in Den Haag, according the Indische Navorscher 2004, page 63

129. F.W. Kornmann, adjudant-onderofficier, geboren te 's-Gravenhage, laatst gewoond hebbende te's-Gravenhage, overleden te Padang 12 dec. 1836.

Was Wilhelmus Jansen born in Veghel 1896 ?

http://beeldbank.bhic.nl/?option=com_genealogie&task=persoon_result&zoekmethode=uitgebreid&jaarmethode=jaar&Itemid=7&persoon_1_achternaam=+Jansen&persoon_1_voornaam=Wilhelmus+Franciscus+Johannes&persoon_1_rol=&persoon_1_zoekwijze=synoniemen&persoon_2_achternaam=&persoon_2_voornaam=&persoon_2_rol=&persoon_2_zoekwijze=exact&plaats=&aktetype_all=on&aktetype_doop=on&aktetype_geboorte=on&aktetype_memoriesvansuccessie=on&aktetype_trouw=on&aktetype_huwelijk=on&aktetype_bevolkingsregister=on&aktetype_begraaf=on&aktetype_overlijden=on&periode_begin=&periode_eind=

Catharina Maria (Cato) COLEN, geboren op 11-07-1864 om 22.00 uur te Gemert (NB). Aangevers; Henricus Maas, 69jr, kuiper en Thomas Bex, 65jr, winkelier. Gedoopt (RK) op 12-07-1864 te Gemert (NB) (getuige(n): Joannes van Lieshout en Anna Maria Maas), overleden op 13-09-1958 te Veghel (NB) op 94-jarige leeftijd, begraven op 17-09-1958 te Veghel (NB).
Ondertrouwd op 02-06-1895 te Gemert, gehuwd op 30-jarige leeftijd op 18-06-1895 te Gemert (NB) (getuige(n): Hubert Janssen koopman, Martinus Cornelis Coolen koopman, Antonius Johannes Coolen koopman en Johannes Bots organist.). Ambtenaar, F.Buskens. Gehuwd voor de kerk op 18-06-1895 te Gemert (NB) (RK) (getuige(n): Alberto Bex en Henrico Swinkels. Pastor P. van Beek.) met

Henricus Johannes JANSSEN, 33 jaar oud, slachter, geboren op 26-04-1862 te Valkenswaard (NB), gedoopt (RK) te Valkenswaard (NB), overleden op 04-10-1926 te Veghel (NB) op 64-jarige leeftijd, begraven te Veghel (NB). Zoon van; Wilhelmus Janssen veearts en Barbara Neijens.

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parents of Wilhelmus Janssen ?

http://home.hccnet.nl/m.colen/parenteel/kwartierblad-frm3.htm

Bruidegom Wilhelmus Janssen

Geboorteplaats Eersel

Geboortedatum 18-02-1832

Vader bruidegom Martinus Janssen

Moeder bruidegom Maria Bierens

Bruid Barbara Neijnens

Geboorteplaats Strijp

Geboortedatum 19-06-1824

Vader bruid Hubertus Neijnens

Moeder bruid Anna Maria van de Ven

Soort registratie huwelijksakte

Aktenummer 5 Diversen

Aktebevat meer informatie

Plaats Valkenswaard

Datum huwelijk 11-05-1861

Periode 1861 Deel Huwelijksregister Valkenswaard 1861 Toegangsnr. 50 Inv.nr. 8163

 OverledeneWilhelmus Janssen

Relatie overledene   Barbara Neijnens

Vader overledene     Martinus Janssen

Moeder overledene   Maria Bierens

Soort registratieoverlijdensakte

Aktenummer7         PlaatsVeghel

Datum overlijden    10-01-1917

Periode1917DeelOverlijdensregister 1917Toegangsnr.550Inv.nr.3324 

Bruidegom Martinus Janssen Geboorteplaats Riethoven Geboortedatum 21-08-1784 Vader bruidegom Antonius Janssen Moeder bruidegom Elisabeth Popeliers Bruid Maria Bierens Geboorteplaats Eersel Geboortedatum 23-09-1796 Vader bruid Adrianus Bierens Moeder bruid Anna Maria van Uijtrecht Soort registratie huwelijksakte Aktenummer 3 Plaats Eersel Datum huwelijk 06-05-1825 Periode 1825 Deel Huwelijksregister Eersel 1825 Toegangsnr. 50 Inv.nr. 2152

Overledene Martinus Janssen Relatie overledene Maria Bierens Vader overledene Antonius Janssen Moeder overledene Elisabeth Poppeliers Soort registratie overlijdensakte Aktenummer 11 Diversen Geboren te Riethoven Plaats Eersel Datum overlijden 19-07-1851 Periode 1851 Deel Overlijdensregister 1851 Toegangsnr. 50

Bron Burgerlijke stand - Overlijden Archieflocatie Brabants Historisch Informatie Centrum Algemeen Toegangnr: 50 
Inventarisnr: 6591 
Gemeente: Riethoven 
Soort akte: overlijden 
Aktenummer: 34 Overledene Elisabeth Popeliers 
Overlijdensdatum: 17-11-1818 Vader   Moeder   Partner Antonie Janssen 
Relatie: Echtgenote van Nadere informatie Rechtbankvonnis.Naamswijziging.

Well, Deonizia,

Your firstname seems a tradtion in the family Kornmann, It started with Cornelia Dionisia Dessouw

Cornelia Dionisia Dessouw
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         AKA:
        Born: Abt 1807 - Sumatra' s Westkust (Padang), Indonesia
        Died: 2 Feb 1849 - Sumatra' s Westkust (Padang), Indonesia
      Father: Jan Dessouw
      Mother: Clara Elisabeth van Cron
http://sites.google.com/site/sumatraswestkust/garnizoen-padang-1780-1845

more info : http://www.genealogieonline.nl/stamboom-boerstra/I3669.php

I found them and it is as we thought. Johanna Wilhelmina Kornmand and James Edward Townsend are Helena's parents.  I also go the names of Wilhelmus' parents as well.

Frans Jansen and Clementine Rosalia Zezula. :) I have alot of the backup documentation for their births and marriages now too.  Amazing how much you can get once you get the right names matched up.

Deonizia,

Who were the parents of James Edward Townsend?

Frans Jansen was the owner of the Oranje Hotel in Padang abt 1910

http://www.geheugenvannederland.nl/?/nl/items/KITLV01:11717

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:COLLECTIE_TROPENMUSEUM_Gezicht_op_het_Oranjehotel_Padang_TMnr_60038883.jpg

Hi Dionizia, (and all thanks for supporting her too)

6 James Edward Townsend (afb. 12), geboren op 08-11-1860 in Padang, Ben. landen, Sumatra?s Westkust, Indonesie [bron: Rijks Almanak Nederlands Indie 1815-1942]. James is overleden op 28-12-1898 in Semarang, Midden-Java, Indonesie, 38 jaar oud [bron: Rijks Almanak Nederlands Indie 1815-1942_1900/p.454].

James trouwde, 24 jaar oud, op 26-03-1885 in Padang, Ben. landen, Sumatra?s Westkust, Indonesie [bron: Rijks Almanak Nederlands Indie 1815-1942_ 1887/p.238] met Johanna Wilhelmina Kornmann.

Greatings,

Jeffrey Circkens