Morning there! Or is it afternoon?

I haven't got a clue where the name Vernhout may actually come from. If it is derived from Farrensout then I'm even more at a loss. As for them changing their name... Names often were written down as they were heard and as the clerk thought they had be written.

Maria Wesselink came from Dalfsen, yet it is not stated that she came from there. Just that the bans were issued there too and that they married there. So there must (have) be(en) a registration in Dalfsen to that effect and that then may tell us where Hendrik Farrensout came from.

I had found this one in the Zwolle Trouwboek:

03-11-1685 Marten van Delden j.m. in de Lutteke straet en
Janna van Brevoort j.d. op't water
Peter Berents van Delden j.m. tegen over 't Weeshuis en
Willemtjen Hermans Wesselink j.d. tot Dalfsen
De proclamatien moeten mede te Dalsfen gaen
att. gegeven na Dalfsen.

Which can be found in Dalfsen as:

1685-10-18 1685-11-29 Peter Berents Delden van j.m. Willempje Hermans Wesselinck j.d.

http://www.ouddalfsen.nl/uploads/Trouwboek%20Dalfsen%20NG%201679-1811.pdf

and her brother getting married again:

Den 28 Julij 1714
Harmanus Wesselink wednaar
Vroutien Eelevelt j.d. tot Vledder
Proclamatie mede te Vledder
attestatie gegeven na Vledder op den 16 aug. 1714

and then they continue to have five children, four times Hermanus and one Hendrik.

This is probably their sister:

18-10-1698
 Jan Ten Hagen wed:
Sijsijlija Wesseling j.d.
SG Jan ter Horst
HG de suster
[hij] moet Erffuijting doen

Hendrik Vernhout's name crops up in the Zwolle Trouwboek a few times as ''roededrager''. So he wasn't an unknown quantity there.

I don't know whether Hendrik and Maria actually lived here at the time of their marriage:

Hendrik Farrensout j.m. bij de Heer Secretaris Haeke en
Maria Wesselinks j.d. bij de Heer Entfanger Wijcherlink

or whether they worked there. My guess would be that they were living there, as almost always the addresses of the intended would be given.

The name Wesselink is (still) around in Dalfsen (google it).

Jannetje Dwars?

Also on http://www.ouddalfsen.nl/uploads/Trouwboek%20Dalfsen%20NG%201679-1811.pdf

1686-09-26 1686-10-17 Hendrick Vernhout j.m. Maria Wesselincks j.d.

Hi there. Sorry that I didn't get bak to you yesterday. I had pretty full day and by the time I got home, was too bushed to get behind the computer.

I have searched Dalfsen for Wesselink and possible Vernhout ancestors but couldn't find a Vernhout. That's why I think that originally he may have had another family name. It was quite legal in those days and occured quite often. I don't mean the spelling of a persons name as I realize that was totally reliant on the registrars command of the Dutch language. And you're right, there does not appear to be any other Vernhouts anywhere except for in Zwolle. That's suspicious in itself. We will probably never get to the bottom of this one either.

By the way, I have as parents of Maria Wesselink Hermannus Wesselink and Geertje ( Geertijn) Gerrits.

Regards Kitty

Hello Kitty and Hans, my mailbox is overloaded because of you two! But reading all your messages I become confused which person fits in which family and where, and names that I cannot relate to Jannetje.

So how about her?

Personally I do not think that she is jewish. You know that children are jewish because the mother is jewish.

And if she was jewish at least one of her children would have a (more or less) jewish first name.

But it is worth looking into it.

Maybe this site can help you, I follow the search very interested.

http://www.vernoeming.nl/70-soorten-joodse-achternamen-in-amsterdam

Greetings Marian

Hallo Marian. As you have probably worked out, Hans had asked me to consider that Jannetje Dwars may have been Jewish and with that produced an amazing amount of posts which are truly worth considering.  So far, we do have a lot of lose ends but who knows, thorough research and we may tie it all up into a bow.  After all, it is very possible that she was of the Jewish faith if Hans's theories are anything to go by. I also now think it is worth considering that she may even have been a Catholic. Or perhaps she was christened at an adult age......

Whether or not we will ever get to the bottom of all of this is another story but I am keen to continue with the hunt for Jannetje. Right now, I dont want to discard anything.

As for the posts regarding the Fernouts, disregard those as they don't have anything to do with Jannetje Dwars. It was just Hans and I discussing ancestors whom we may have in common.  His Catarina Fernout is also a lose end at the moment but has to fit in there somewhere. 

Regards Kitty

Hello,

Dit is Tobias Koster de Australisch jongen man dat woont in Amsterdam. Mijn Oma Constance Theresa Koster, geboren Constance Theresa Fernhout in 1921. Ze is 91 jaar oud en woont in Melbourne..

Ze is de dochter van Johaan Adriana Fernhout g. 1884 Amsterdam en Constantia Theresa Körte g. 1886 Amsterdam

Zijn vader is Jan Alexander Fernhout g. 1850 Amsterdam

Moeder Johanna Christijana de Heer Kloots g. 1854 J Belder

Great to read your discussion about Fernhout. 

I am new to this, thought it would be nice to drop in a line to say hi! I just started researching my Grandmas family and stumbled across this forum. 

I am going to check out what I can find about the Fernhouts in Amsterdam here at the city archives.

Would be cool if it went back Hermannus!

Kind regards

Tobi

De ouders van Jan Alexander Fernhout zijn: Sander Fernhout en Hendrika Altman.

Zij trouwden in Amsterdam op 19.7.1848.

http://www.genlias.nl/nl/searchDetail.jsp?val=0&xtr=25535443

Bron Burgerlijke stand - Huwelijk

Archieflocatie Noord-Hollands Archief

Algemeen Gemeente: Amsterdam
Soort akte: Huwelijksakte
Aktenummer: reg.3;fol.84
Datum: 19-07-1848

Bruidegom Sander Fernhout
Leeftijd: 24
Geboorteplaats: Amsterdam

Bruid Hendrika Altman
Leeftijd: 21
Geboorteplaats: Amsterdam

Vader bruidegom Jan Fernhout

Moeder bruidegom Jacoba Geertruijda Fersenaar

Vader bruid Fredrik Altman

Moeder bruid Maria Catharina Lefebre

Nadere informatie beroep Bg.:houtzaagmolenaar;beroep vader Bg.:houtzaagmolenaar;beroep vader Bd.:catechiseermeester

Volgens "Dave-Verdooner" woonden op de Buitensingel in Amsterdam tot mei 1854:

Sander Fernhout, geb. 11.3.1824, arbeider;

Hendrika Altman, geb. 2.9.1826;

Jan Alexander Fernhout, geb. 6.10.1850;

Maria Catharina Fernhout, geb. 24.1.1853. Boekdeel WW2_1; blz. 187.

We're all one big, big family, Kitty!

By the way, I found another loose end of Fernhouts: http://www.reocities.com/hiskring/nieuwe_pagina_39.htm

I suspect that they're related some way (the name Jurjen/Jurriaan is also used in Zwolle).

And to confuse things even more I found this one the other day:

http://www.genlias.nl/nl/searchDetail.jsp?val=6&xtr=10718788

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Bron  Burgerlijke stand - Huwelijk
Archieflocatie  Gelders Archief
Algemeen  Toegangnr: 0207
Inventarisnr: 5831
Gemeente: Dalem
Soort akte: Huwelijksakte
Aktenummer: 3
Datum: 03-09-1814
Bruidegom  Willem Mantis
Leeftijd: 28
Geboorteplaats: (Vuren)
Bruid  Willemina Farenhout
Leeftijd: 18
Geboorteplaats: (Vuren)
Vader bruidegom  Dirk Mantis
Moeder bruidegom  Cornelia Omens
Vader bruid  Engelbart Farenhout
Moeder bruid  Maaike Steenbergen
Nadere informatie  beroep bg.: glasblazer; beroep bruid: geen beroep vermeld; beroep vader bg.: geen beroep vermeld; beroep moeder bg.: geen beroep vermeld; beroep vader bd.: geen beroep vermeld; beroep moeder bd.: geen beroep vermeld

http://www.erfgoedcentrumdiep.nl/voorouders/overlijdensakten/treffers?mivast=46&mizig=782&miadt=46&miq=228555281&milang=nl&misort=last_mod%7casc&mivie

New thread for all things Vernhout/Fernhout?

En ook nog: kinderen van Johan Engelbart (F)(H)ardenhout en Maijke van Steenbergen in Leerdam:

Anna Catrina (31.3.1777) en Anthonie (25.11.1779).

Maaijke van Steenbergen, dochter van Anthonie van Steenbergen en Adriana Sprong, wordt in Leerdam gedoopt op 10.11.1754.

Haar huwelijk zal dan toch ook in Leerdam gesloten moeten zijn.

Ouders van Jan Fernhout geb. 1797, zijn Lubertus Fernhout, Amsterdam en Sanneke van Friest, Haarlem gehuwd 1784.

I believe the parents of Lubertus come from Zwolle, will confirm that one.

Thank you for the responses 

What a strange coincidence! My grandmother will be pleased to know where her grandmothers name comes from, she was always very curious!

Lubertus/Lubartus/Bart Fernhout/Vernhout/Ferrenhout en Sanneke/Susanna/Zuzanna van Triest ondertrouwen in Amsterdam op 2.7.1784.

Minstens elf kinderen worden in de Nieuwe Kerk, in de Noorderkerk en in de Westerkerk gedoopt.

Ook: Jan (22/26.11.1797 in de Noorderkerk).

There was this one that was born in Zwolle:

1714 05 15
Lubbertus
Harmannus Vernhout
Maria Broekhuis

son of these two:

07-04-1711 Hermannus Vernhout j.m. en
Maria Broekhuis j.d.
S:G: Herm: Wesselink
H:G: de vrouw van Willem Florisz.

Jan Fernhout, molenaar (elders: koopman, zaagselverkoper), geb. 18.11.1797 in Amsterdam, woont als weduwnaar in 1852 op de Rozengracht - met zijn kinderen: Jacoba Anna, geb. 17.8.1825; Pieter, 8.3.1829, molenaar; Johanna Hendrika, 20.2.1831; Lambertus Johannes, 3.3.1838; Anna Maria E., 21.10.1839; Hendrika Wilhelmina G., 28.7.1840; Louisa Alida,1.9.1841.   Boekdeel EE1 - 1; blz. 1623.