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Hallo!  Ich bin in Nürnberg geboren... Meine Mutter wurde in Wunschendorf geboren. Ihre Mutter (Hermine Hase Ullrich Siehndel) wurde am 19. Juli 1908 in Heinersdorf a.t.  Anscheinend war Hermine das älteste von 13 Kindern, ihr Vater war Franz Josef Ullrich (obwohl es scheint, dass sie außereheliche geboren wurde). Ich versuche, ihre Familie ausfindig zu machen.   Die Großeltern sind Franz Ullrich und Anna Honig sowie Ernst Gustov Hass und Johanna Riedel.  Vielen Dank im Voraus für alle Hinweise oder Informationen

Hi!  I was born in Nurenberg, Germany... My mother was born in Wunschendorf.. her Mother (Hermine Hase Ullrich Siehndel) was born in Heinersdorf a.t on July 19 1908.  Apparently Hermine was the oldest of 13 children, their father was Franz Josef Ullrich (although it appears she was born out of wedlock).. I am trying to locate her family.   the Grandparents are Franz Ullrich and Anna Honig, and Ernst Gustov Hass and Johanna Riedel.  Thank you in advance for any and all hints or information

Kathy Fitzpatrick - 5 feb 2021 - 21:44 (laatst bijgewerkt 6 feb 2021 — 11:27 door moderator)

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[hier] you'll find the birth record from the baptism registry in Heinersdorf an der Tafelfichte → Jindřichovice pod Smrkem in the Czech Republic. Hermine was legitimised through the marriage of her parents on 05.10.1914

Peter B - 5 feb 2021 - 22:22 (laatst bijgewerkt 6 feb 2021 — 03:12 door auteur)

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Thank you very much... can you locate Hermine's actual birth record?  or that of her parents?  I can't read czech. and very much appreciate your help.

 

VielenDank... können Sie Hermines tatsächlichen Geburtsnachweis finden?  oder die ihrer Eltern?  Ich kann tschechisch nicht lesen. und schätzen Ihre Hilfe sehr

Kathy Fitzpatrick - 5 feb 2021 - 22:43

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you seem to prefer English... the link I provided is to the actual birth record - in German. This part of Czechia was predominantly German before the war; after WWII the German population was expelled from the area.

The birth record provides the details on her parents:

Anna Hase was born on 11.12.1888 in Heinersdorf, daughter of Ernst Gustav Hase, factory worker in Heinersdorf and of Johanna daughter of Anton Riedel, cottager in Schönwald 

Franz Josef Ullrich, coachman in Heinersdorf, born in Liebwerda (Lázně Libverda) on 30.12.1883, son of Franz Ullrich, factory worker in Altharzdorf (Starý Harcov), and of Anna daughter of Josef Hönig, cottager in Ditterbächel (Dětřichovec)

Peter B - 5 feb 2021 - 22:56 (laatst bijgewerkt 6 feb 2021 — 03:04 door auteur)

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Yes, english is MUCH better, I don't speak German, my mom moved me to the United States when I was 7 months old.... is there a way I can search those records, I am really looking for my Mom's birth certificate..  thanks sooooo much.  Although all this is alot of help, trying to create a family tree.  Seems weird they were married so long after Hermine (my Oma) was born......

Kathy Fitzpatrick - 5 feb 2021 - 23:03

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[here] is the birth record of Anna Antonia Hase, born 11.12.1888, baptised 14.11.1888 in Heinersdorf. It's a woeful handwriting, not helped by all the disappeared German names of the villages (I used the mappire website [here] and there's a downloadable Excel table [here]: 
Father: Gustav Hase, factory worker in Heinersdorf, born in Gerlachsheim in Prussia (now Grabiszyce in Poland), son of Stefan Haase, cottager and day labourer in Reussendorf (Raszów in Poland) and of Johanna ?hamm of Gerlachsheim
Mother: Johanna Riedel, born in Schönwald (Krásný Les), daughter of Anton Riedel cottager and weaver in Schönwald, and of Elisabeth Hübner of Gränzendorf (Hraničná)

 

My mother was born in Wunschendorf

this could be Wünschendorf → Radogoszcz just north of Lubań in Poland

Peter B - 6 feb 2021 - 00:59 (laatst bijgewerkt 6 feb 2021 — 04:24 door auteur)

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in the State Regional Archives in Litomerice I managed to find the marriage record of Franz Josef Ullrich & Anna Antonia Haase on 05.10.1914 [here]

and [here] is the birth record of Franz Josef Ullrich, born 30.12.1883, baptised 06.01.1884 in Liebwerda (Lázně Libverda)

Father: Franz Ullrich, catholic, stonemason in Liebwerda, son of Christof Ullrich, cottager and weaver in Liebwerda, and of Franziska née Neiffer of Weisbach (Bílý Potok)
Mother: Anna, catholic, daughter of Josef Hoenig, cottager and weaver in Dittersbächel, and of Anna née Bergmann of Dittersbächel

the marriage between Franz Ullrich & Anna Hoenig took place on 19.08.1882 in Dittersbächel (Dětřichovec) [here]. the marriage record further mentions that Franz was born 08.01.1858 in Liebwerda; Anna was born 16.09.1859 in Dittersbächel

so [here] is the birth record of Franz Ullrich, born 08.01.1858, baptised 10.01.1858 in Liebwerda.

father: Christof Ullrich, cottager and weaver in Liebwerda, son of Josef Ullrich, farmer in Liebwerda, and of Veronika née Wildner of Liebwerda
mother: Franziska, daughter of Josef Neisser, gardner in Weisbach, and of Apolonia née Krause of Weisbach

Peter B - 6 feb 2021 - 02:48 (laatst bijgewerkt 6 feb 2021 — 04:27 door auteur)

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I can't begin to tell you how much I appreciate your help.  a couple more questions, according to the information I know, Hermine (my grandmother) had twin babies born May 18, 1930 Liesel and Lotte..(Lotte was my Mom)    Liesel, according to stories, died in 1941 or 42 of dipththeria.  a marriage certificate says she married Paul Bruno Siendel in the fall of 1931 to legitimize the children.. can you by chance locate any of those documents?  maybe in Laubon or Wunschendorf .  Also, is there a chance Hermine was married to someone else prior to Ullrich?

Kathy Fitzpatrick - 6 feb 2021 - 19:42


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Also, is there a chance Hermine was married to someone else prior to Ullrich?

did you mean "was Anna Antonia Hase married to someone else prior to Franz Josef Ullrich"? (considering Hermine was born before the wedding). Based on the marriage record, there was no prior marriage. 

Bohemia was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire at that time, and in Austria it was very common on the countryside to have one or more children before the marrying. Not sure if that tradition extended to Bohemia as well

Peter B - 7 feb 2021 - 17:37







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