Hi John

Thanks again!!!!!

gr anneke 

Hi Anneke,

Happy to be of some help! Have a good rest of the week!

gr, John

Anna Maria Baardman, geboren in 1914 in Rotterdam ...

Ik weet niet of de naam Baardman veel voorkomt in Rotterdam en waar de interesse precies naar uit gaat, maar ik ken een Rotterdamse die Baardman heet. Ik ben even kwijt of het haar meisjesnaam is of de naam van haar man, maar volgens mij was hij ook een Rotterdammer. Geboortejaar zal ergens rond 1930 zijn. Mocht er belangstelling zijn, dan hoor ik het wel.

Groetjes,

Ineke

Hi Ineke

Dank je wel voor je reactie. Er zijn inderdaad meerdere Baardmans in Rotterdam. De Anna Maria die ik zocht is geboren in 1914 en in 1930 met haar moeder en broer geemigreerd naar Amerika. Haar vader was kaptein op een schip dat in 1919 op een mijn is gelopen. Hij was een zoon van Huibert Baardman en Anna Maria Pens.

Ik heb de gezochte informatie nu gekregen van John Nauta!!!

Nogmaals dank voor je reactie

gr anneke van os

Beste mevr van Eikelenborg

Ik ben al een tijdje op zoek naar de grootmoeder van mijn vrouw.

Mijn vrouw is amerikaanse, maar haar vader weet alleen dat zijn moeders naam sonnenschein was

ik heb al gevonden dat Beatrice Sonneschein samen met Charles W. Young  in New York heeft gewoond waar ze 3 zoons kregen, waarvan 1 dus mijn schoonvader is, mijn schoonvader is van 22 januari 1935,

Beatrice zou geboren zijn ca 1909. Maar wie zijn haar ouders, en klopt de geboortejaar wel.

Zij is waarschijnlijk in 1966 te Hartford Connecticut overleden als dit de juiste is

mvg

Bertil van Os de Man

Hallo Bertil,

Using the information that you have given, I have found some information that may be a reasonable guess but I cannot confirm 100% if this is the correct Beatrice. But the surname Sonnenschein is not common so this may be the correct Beatrice.

In the 1930 Census, Beford Township, Westchester County, New York:

Beatrice Sonnenschein, age 19, born in New York, parents born in New York; inmate at the New York Reformatory Prison for Women in Bedford Township, Westchester County, NY. Her occupation was listed as clerk in a store (which is probably what her occupation was before going to the prison).

**This reformatory prison was, at the time Beatrice was there, a place where women went who were convicted for misdemeanors. See link about this prison:  http://www.archives.nysed.gov/a/research/res_topics_legal_corrections_inst_bedford.shtml

1920 Census, Bronx Borough, New York:

-Percy Sonnenschein, age 34, born in New York, father born in Austria, mother born in New York, occupation of clerk in an office

-Carry Sonnenschein, wife, age 33, born in New York, father born in Hungary, mother born in Hungary, no occupation

-Beatrice J. Sonnenschein, daughter, age 9, born in New York

-Blossom I. Sonnenschein, daughter, age 1 year and 6 months, born in New York

-Irving E. Black, brother-in-law, age 24, single, born in New York, parents born in Hungary

-Sallie Black, sister-in-law, age 31, single, born in New York, parents born in Hungary

So, it appears that Carry (probably “Carrie”) has her brother and sister living with the family and that her surname is “Black” (which is probably an Americanized surname since both parents came from Hungary).

If this is the correct Beatrice then it is now fair to say that Beatrice was born in 1910 in New York, daughter of Percy Sonnenschein and Carrie Black.

Again, assuming that this is the correct Beatrice Sonnenchein, with Percy and Carrie as parents, then this article in the Long Island Daily Press, dated Thursday, January 4, 1934:

“22 Couples Attend St. Albans Reunion

Twenty-two couples attended the annual reunion of members and friends of the Jewish Center of St. Albans, held at the home of Mr. and Mrs. Percy Sonnenschein, 191-62 115th Road, St. Albans, on New Year's Eve. Mrs. Alma Mayer, auxiliary president, was in charge of arrangements. Among those present were Mr. and Mrs. Abe Mayer Sr., Mrs. A. Mayer, Mr. and Mrs. Murray Olyphant, Mr. and Mrs. Sam Hyman, Mr. and Mrs. Sidney Fox, Mr. and Mrs. Martin Herzog, Mr. and Mrs. A. E. Levy, Mr. and Mrs. Harry Gohlson, Dr. and Mrs. C. R. Rosner, Mr. and Mrs. Charles Goldwater, Mr. and Mrs. Louis Haas. Mrs. Jean Falk, Mr. and Mrs. P. Sonnenschein and Rabbi Julius Kerman. The group will soon hold a theater party in Manhattan. Murray Olyphant is in charge.”

The questions for your wife’s father are:

1)  Has he ever heard that his mother’s family may have been of Jewish ancestry?

2) Has he ever heard about his mother having a younger sister?

3) Does any of the above information remind him of some fact about the Sonnenschein family, like what month was his mother’s birthday?

4) Are the names of his brothers Charles and Robert?

5) Does he remember if his father was born in Canada and was much older than his mother?

I hope that this is the correct information and, if so, there is much more available on the Sonnenschein family.

Gr,

John

Hallo John

My father in law left the house at a young age, so he doesnt know much about her anymore.

we already found the paternal lineage to Digby Canada

We also know his dad is about 20 years older than his mum

His brothers are Charles born approx 1932  and Robert born approx 1934

His dad came to the US to become a pilot in the great war (1914-1918)

He died in New Haven, Connecticut in 1981. After he was remarried to a woman named Harriet Bennett.

The jewish decendancy is totally new.

His mum is probably born july 5, 1909

and married Charles W Young june 23, 1931, Queens, New York

This is as far we can conclude the correct person

Thank you sofar

mvg

Bertil

A few things:

Carrie and Percy did not marry until 1916:

Last Name / First Name / Month / Day / Year / Cert nmbr / County / FHL Roll / groom

Sonnenschein / Percy / Jun / 1 / 1916 / 15447 (1916) / Manhattan / 1614506 / Black, Carrie G

In 1910, Percy and Betrice are living at Joseph Sonnenschein's. Percy is listed as married, but there isn't a wife with him on this census.

Name:  Beatrice Sonnenscheino

Event Place:  Manhattan Ward 12, New York, New York, United States

District:  412

Gender:  Female

Age:  0

Marital Status:  Single

Race:  White

Race (Original):  White

Relationship to Head of Household:  Granddaughter

Relationship to Head of Household (Original):  Granddaughter

Birth Year (Estimated):  1910

Birthplace:  New York

Father's Birthplace:  New York

Mother's Birthplace:  New York

   Household  Gender  Age  Birthplace

Head Joseph Sonnenscheino  M  56  Austria – arrival US abt 1871

Wife  Emily Sonnenscheino  F  48  New York

Son  Percy Sonnenscheino  M  24  New York

Son  Jacob L Sonnenscheino  M  21  New York

Daughter  Rhoda Sonnenscheino  F  16  New York

Son  Edwin J Sonnenscheino  M  14  New York

Daughter  Hilda Sonnenscheino  F  12  New York

Daughter  Flora Z Sonnenscheino  F  y  New York

Granddaughter  Beatrice Sonnenscheino  F  0  New York

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Percy's death date: http://www.mounthebroncemetery.com/location.asp?id=81790

Carrie's death date: http://www.mounthebroncemetery.com/location.asp?id=34132

BTW I'm not to sure where the W initial came from as an official middle initial for Charles Young does not seem to be mentioned anywhere:

Last Name / First Name / Month / Day / Year / Cert nmbr / County / FHL Roll / groom

Sonnerschein / Beatrice / Jun / 20 / 1931 / 1661 (1931) / Queens / 1905452 / Young, Charles

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Their marriage licence (Queens) notification in the Brooklyn NY Standard Union 23 jun 1931:

Beatrice Sonnenschein, 23(?). 144 11th St  Long Island City:

Charles Young, 41, 142 3d St., Long Island City.

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1940 census

Name:  Beatrice Young

Event Place:  Assembly District 3, Queens, New York City, Queens, New York, United States

Gender:  Female

Age:  30

Marital Status:  Married

Race (Original):  White

Race:  White

Relationship to Head of Household (Original):  Wife

Relationship to Head of Household:  Wife

Birthplace:  New York

Birth Year (Estimated):  1910

Last Place of Residence:  Same Place

   Household  Gender  Age  Birthplace

Head  Charlie Young  M  60  Canada (age should probably be 50??)

Wife  Beatrice Young  F  30  New York

Son  Charles Young  M  7  New York

Son  Robert Young  M  6  New York

Son  Daniel Young  M  5  New York

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-27841-7023-38?cc=2000219&wc=M9QD-P1Z:1898414932

27 June 1943, Blossom Sonnenschein marries Milton Barkas

With this we can find  them in the SSDI:

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Given Name:  Blossom

Surname:  Barkas

Birth Date:  6 June 1918

Social Security Number:  071-20-6864

State:  New York

Last Place of Residence:  Orange, California

Previous Residence Postal Code:  92653

Event Date:  25 February 2003

Age:  85

-

Given Name:  Milton

Middle Name:  H

Surname:  Barkas

Birth Date:  16 May 1903

Social Security Number:  078-14-7302

State:  New York

Last Place of Residence:  Orange, California

Previous Residence Postal Code:  92653

Event Date:  18 December 1999

Age:  96

Sylvia

There is something I don't understand.

It was mentioned that Charles Young died in New Haven CT ie it has to be this SSDI entry:

 Given Name:  Charles

Surname:  Young

Birth Date:  4 June 1891

Social Security Number:  117-36-3270

State:  New York

Last Place of Residence:  New Haven, Connecticut

Previous Residence Postal Code:  06716

Event Date:  June 1981

Age:  90

(and again without initial 'W")

but according to this, his wife's name had been Ethel (not Harriet or Beatrice):

Name:  Charles Young

Event Type:  Death

Event Date:  21 Jun 1981

Event Place:  Wolcott, , Connecticut

Residence Place:  Darien, , Connecticut

Address:  PARK LA

Marital Status:  Widowed

Race:  White

Hispanic Origin:  

Occupation:  INSPECTOR

Industry:  DEPT. OF WATER WORKS

Father's Surname (Original):  YOUNG

Spouse's Name:  ETHEL

Certificate Number:  12812

??? What am I missing ???

(Note the residence in the SSDI does not have to be the place of death)

Additionally, if 4 jun 1891 was his DOB, then this it would not fit with this Chrales W Young" from Digby whom I assume you've been tracking .....

Name:  Charles William Young

Event Type:  Draft Registration

Event Date:  1917-1918

Event Place:  Boston City no 6, Massachusetts, United States

Gender:  Male

Birth Date:  01 Aug 1891

Birthplace:  Freeport, Digby Conty, Nova Scotia

Nationality:  Canada

Affiliate Publication Title:  World War I Selective Service System Draft Registration Cards

ie Can I assume that some different Charles Youngs have been confused with each other ??

and more .

This SSDI entry for Beatrice looks ok:

Given Name:     Beatrice

Surname:            Young

Birth Date:          5 July 1909

Social Security Number:                092-10-8413

State:    New York

Last Place of Residence:                Hartford, Connecticut

Previous Residence Postal Code:              06010

Event Date:        March 1966

Age:       57

But look at her husband's name:

Name:  Beatr Young

Event Type:  Death

Event Date:  21 Mar 1966

Event Place:  Bristol, Hartford, Connecticut

Residence Place:  Bristol, Hartford, Connecticut

Address:  

Gender:  Female

Age:  56

Marital Status:  Married

Race:  White

Birth Year (Estimated):  1910

Father's Surname (Original):  

Spouse's Name:  LEST

Certificate Number:  04674

??????????

Dear Sylvia

The middle name is not always used.

if you look at the name of the 3rd son Daniel, it should be Daniel B. Young, which is my father in law

Bertil

About the husband of Beatrice is that I can only give 1 possibility

My father in law and his brothers were adopted at a very young age, probably because the parents diverced?

This is not known because they all blocked it from their memory.

Bertil

The name harriet comes from a blurred memory of my father in law

Who knows maybe it was Ethel Bennett, they called her Missy

Bertil

Ik zie dat er al enige maanden niet gepost is op deze thread, dus misschien is het zoeken naar verwanten in amerika hier niet meer actueel, maar ik doe een poging.

Ik ben een familie Buitenwerf kwijt. Het gekke is, dat ik redelijk vaak een familie Buitenwerf tegenkom met namen als Pieter/Peter en Rieuwert, afkomstig uit Uithuizermeeden, woonachtig in Iowa, maar ik zoek een andere familie Buitenwerf. De zus van mijn betovergrootmoeder, Eltje Sietsema, trouwde in 1871 in Uithuizermeeden met Jakob Buitenwerf. Schoonvader Buitenwerf, Edze Jakobs Buitenwerf emigreerde in het volgende jaar met vrouw (Kleinbergen) en drie kinderen naar Michigan, USA. Enkele jaren later volgde Jakob Buitenwerf met Eltje Sietsema. Ze hadden toen een paar kinderen (Auke, Elizabeth, Edze, Frik en Lourens) en kregen in Amerika, Michigan, ook nog een paar kinderen.Lourens (Lawrence) werd in maart 1880 geboren en in 1881 doken ze op in Amerika.

De geboorteaktes kom ik tegen, ook twee overlijdensaktes van kinderen, verder van de Census in 1880 gegevens van schoonouders Buitenwerf-Kleinbergen en inwonend kleinkind Elizabeth (Eikenhout, ook daar vind ik nog iets van terug), maar verder niets, nada, nothing. Van Jakob en Eltje en hun kinderen kan ik geen Census, geen overlijdensaktes of WOI/II oproepen, geen vermelding op een begraafplaats vinden .... Ik begrijp er niets van en hoop dat iemand mij verder kan helpen.

more news about harriet

Harriet Bennett was not the new wife of mr Young

My father in law finally remembered Harriet and her husband wanted to adopt him

He stayed with them some summers on the countryside

so she is no relative

Een tip: bij buitenlands onderzoek ALTIJD volledige gegevens voegen ... eg volledige geboorte data, namen van ouders etc ....

Het had me nl veel tijd bespaard, want het was uiteindelijk heel gemakkelijk om te zien dat Jakob en zijn broer(s) hun achternaam in Butterworth hadden veranderd. Hier alvast een snelle lijst van de familie (op FS kun je nog veel meer aanvullingen vinden):

Jakob Buitenwerf, geb 19-09-1851 ’t Zandt, ovl  (z v Edze Jakobs Buitenwerf en Elijzabet Kleinbergen … haar overlijden?: http://seekingmichigan.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p129401coll7/id/649075/rec/2 )

Ovl akte Jakob: http://seekingmichigan.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p129401coll7/id/109120/rec/12

 X 1871

Eltje/Alice/Ella Sietsema, geb 21-08-1852 Uithuizermeeden (d v Frik Sietsema en Auke Kruizenga)

Kinderen:

Aike/Aggie/Agnes geb 01/10/1871 Uithuizermeeden

X 1899 met Hemry Smit

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Elizabeth/Lizzie Buitenwerf geb 25-02-1874 Zijldijk gem. ’t Zandt, ovl 30 Mar 1935 So. Euclid, Cuyahoga, Ohio

X  met William E. Harrington

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Edze/Eddie/Edward Buitenwerf geb 25-03-1876 Zijldijk gem. ’t Zandt

X 1899 met Anna Verdonk

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Frik/Frederick geb 27-04-1878 NL, ovl 4 aug 1905 Gr Rapids

Ovl akte: http://seekingmichigan.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p129401coll7/id/576841/rec/4

X1901 met Augusta Reese Duley

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Lourens/Lawrence Buitenwerf geb 24-03-1880 Zijldijk gem. ’t Zandt, ovl 07-06-1881 Gr Rapids

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Lourens/Lawrence J Buitenwerf geb 19-05-1882 Gr Rapids, ovl 21-06-1915 Gr Rapids

http://seekingmichigan.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p129401coll7/id/262295/rec/14

X 1904 met  Jennie Vanderperel

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Nick/Nicholas Jacob  geb ca 22 sep 1883

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Julia geb 19 Jan 1886 Gr Rapids

X1911  met John Stephen

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Ella geb 19 Jan 1886 Gr Rapids

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Lena geb ca sep 1888 MI

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NN Buitenwerf (female) geb 04-03-1890 Gr  Rapids, ovl 05-03-1890

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Anna May geb ca jun 1891 MI

X1914 met Henry Spaanstra

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Harry geb 27-11-1893 Gr Rapids

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Jacob geb ca 3 Oct 1895 MI

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Jennett/Jennie geb ca Mar 1898 MI

X1922 Peter Sikkema

verder nog:

Name:Alice Butterworth

Event Type:        Death

Event Date:        18 Dec 1924

Event Place:       Paris, Kent, Michigan, United States

Gender:               Female

Age:       73

Marital Status:   Widowed

Birth Date:          17 Dec 1851 (Verkeerde geb datum ??)

Birthplace:          Netherlands

Birth Year (Estimated):1851

Father's Name:                 Fred Sietsema

Wauw, super zeg. Ik heb me helemaal suf gezocht. Ben nog ergens de spelling Biertenwerp tegen gekomen, maar Butterworth .... daar was ik nooit opgekomen.

Ik zal voortaan de volleidge informatie geven.

Onwijs bedankt voor deze informatie en de snelheid waarmee je antwoordt. Top.

Ik ben op zoek naar de exacte overlijdens data van mijn overgrootouders. (Chicago)

Te weten:

Dietje Blaauw - Posthumus oveleden in 1935  en

Bernardus Blaauw overleden in 1926.

Beide begraven in Mount Hope Cemetery, Cook County IL. USA.

Kunt u mij daarmee helpen.

Bij voorbaat mijn dank.

J.C.

Hallo J.C.,

Bernardus overleed op 17 April 1926 en Dietje (Dina) op 27 Februari 1935.

gr,

John

Hallo John.

Bedankt voor uw snelle antwoord, ik ben weer wat wijzer geworden dank zij u.

Vriendelijke groet

J.C.