Hello

I am trying to verify the births of the children of Willem Loomans and Petronella A M Opdam who married in Nov 1898 in Hazerswoude. A newspaper article celebrating their 60th Wedding Anniversary in November 1958 states that they had 10 children. I have found 7 but i am particularly interested in any born between 1903 and 1910. I am having trouble locating any records for these apart from Antje Loomans born in 1903 and the next is a stillborn female born in February 1910. The person i am looking for is a J Loomans who later married Adriana M Van der Meer in July 1930 in Hazerswoude. I can find no birth record for J Loomans. He would have been born around 1904/1905. 

Is it possible that the family moved to America for a few years? Are there any immigration/travel records anywhere?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. 

If you search https://www.wiewaswie.nl with last name = Loomans and plave name = Hazerswoude you find quite a lot of entries in the 20th century up to about 1950. Did you check all these? And, if so, which names or expected birth years do you miss?

Michaël

The parents had a stillborn daughter on 26 february 1910.
Daughter Maria was born 18 September 1901.
Wilhelmus was burried 21 March 1966 in Zoeterwoude.

It can be worth your while to order a Persoonskaart at the CBG for him. It will list all his children in sequence of their birth year but due to AVG the birth dates will be blacked out.

Michaël

Thank you Michael, i haven't tried that, but i will now. 

Julie

Een globale overview.

https://www.archieven.nl/nl/zoeken?mivast=0&mizig=304&miadt=0&miview=ldt&milang=nl&misort=lmd%7Casc&mistart=4&mibj=1898&miej=1920&mif1=105&mizk_alle=Loomans

kind regards, Ben

mvg_Ben

Michael said:  "It will list all his children in sequence of their birth year but due to AVG the birth dates will be blacked out."

For the first part of his answer I agree, but the last part is not correct. The birthdates of the children, as far as I know  were always visable on the card. But Julie, you can ask that by CBG. Contact and information of data on the cards see:  Uittreksels uit persoonlijke recordlijsten en kaarten (cbg.nl)

Kind regards, Ben

Thank you Michael, i haven't tried that, but i will now. 

Julie

@Ben

I strongly diagree with you. I have ordered Persoonskaarten at CBG this year and the birth dates of all children are blacked out.
The same is true for the Archief- and Persoonskaarten at Stadsarchief Amsterdam. It was a requirement imposed by the Authoriteit Persoonsgegevens.
I agree that a few years back this requirement did not exist and you could see the birth dates of the children in the info produced by the CBG and by SAA . I am not sure what the exact date was when the change was effectuated.

Michaël

@admins/moderatoren - misschien kan iemand deze discussie naar het sub-forum "onderzoek in Nederland" verplaatsen.

With respect to the question; I found the birth of Maria (18 Sept 1901) in the online archive of Alphen a/d Rijn:

https://gemeentearchief.alphenaandenrijn.nl/collectie?mivast=105&miadt=105&mizig=100&miview=tbl&milang=nl&micols=1&mip1=Loomans|opdam

Maybe you can list what you already know?

Using Delpher I found the birth of a daughter for Loomans/vd Meer, 

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Thank you Arnaud

I am specifically trying to verify a birth of a J Loomans about 1904 who would be the son of Willem Loomans and Petronella Anna Opdam. i have their other children as below:

Hendrik born 1899

Maria born 1901

Antje born 1903

Stillborn Female 1910

Nicolaas Gerardus born 1911

Cornelis born 1914

Petronella Anna born 1916

Hendrica born 1917.

But there is a gap between 1903 and 1910 which is when the person i am trying to verify was born. I think he is Johannes Loomans but don't kow for sure. He married Adriana Van Der Meer in July 1930 in Hazerswoude but i can't seem to find a full record of the marriage or his birth to confirm his name and his parents. 

Hi Julie, I am not sure how reliable the information is, but found on geneanet a tree showing the birth of Johannes to be in 1904 in Texas:

https://gw.geneanet.org/hano?n=loomans&oc=2&p=johannes

@ Michaël, I will contact CBG about this question and keep you informed.

Kind regards, Ben

I fear Ben's overview is missing a daughter in 1906 [here]

I found this on MyHeritage. Again, not sure how accurate it is. I was not able to validate the information.

The 1904 birth records don't seem to be available online to browse through.

@ Michael,

Your earlier comment:

I have ordered Persoonskaarten at CBG this year and the birth dates of all children are blacked out.
The same is true for the Archief- and Persoonskaarten at Stadsarchief Amsterdam. It was a requirement imposed by the Authoriteit Persoonsgegevens.

For Stadsarchief Amsterdam your statement is fully correct. Current: for CBG on the Persoonskaarten the birth dates of all children are not blacked out, according a mail about this question of CBG that I have received today. 

Kind regards

J. Loomans, Johannes, born Hazerswoude 04-12-1904, married Hazerswoude 01-08-1930 with Maria van der Meer, born 28-10-1903, died Leiden 21-12-1996.

Johannes father Willem Loomans, born 15-12-1873, died 18-03-1966, (married to Petronella Anna Opdam) was a half brother of my grandfather

I med them a couple of times in the fiftees.

if You are interrested I have some pictures of Willem and Petronella as wel as from Johannes and Maria.

excuse my English, I lost it over the years, iIm 80 years now. 

I started to try find out the family tree of the Loomans in 1995, and I complete it in 2005, so Johannes must be dead by now.

if You wanna know more, feel free to ask.

Hello Leger

thank you for your message. Please accept my apologies for not replying sooner, i have been away for a few days. I am researching the Loomans family tree for my friend who was a Loomans by birth. Willem Loomans (b1873) is her Great Great Grandfather and Johannes her Great Grandfather. She knew very little about her fathers side of the family as she didn't see her father much as a child and only has a little contact now. Any photographs you have would be very much appreciated. All i have are a couple of photographs which i managed to find in the newspaper archives. Johannes has been quite a difficult person to research and i still haven't found out when he died. 

Would you grandfather be Cornelis Loomans (B1886) or Jacobus Loomans (b1893) ?

Please don't apologise for your english, it is much better than my dutch. Again thank you for contacting me and i hope to hear from you again soon. 

Do you know if there is any way that we could exchange email addresses as i don't think it possible to add them to these messages is it?

Kind regards Julie