I’m diving into the origins and parentage of Egbert Jelissen and Bartghe/Bartie Boumans, a couple from 17th-century Huissen Stad, Gelderland, Netherlands, and I need your expertise! My research, primarily from Roman Catholic records, has hit a wall, and I’d love any insights, corrections, or leads—especially from Regionaal Archief Nijmegen or Gemeentearchief Huissen.

Here’s what I’ve found so far:

Marriage:  
Egbertus Jelissen wed Bartie Boumans on 3 March 1629, Huissen Stad (Roman Catholic).

Children (baptized at Huissen Stad, Roman Catholic):  
Adriaena, 6 September 1631 (mother as “Bartghe”). Witnesses: Dirck Boumans, Frederica Goosens.  

Claeske, 26 April 1633 (mother as “Bartghe Boumans”). Witnesses: Neelke Cornelisse, Otto Intross.

Egbert as Witness: 
5 May 1626: Marriage of Willem Verheiden and Willemke Van Ginckel—his earliest record.  

12 March 1645: Baptism of Anna Van Gent (Dirck Van Gent, Geertie Jansen).  

13 May 1655: Marriage of daughter Adriana Jelissen to Bartholomeus van Essen.  

17 March 1657: Marriage of Wessel Honkens and Christina Pelgrims (with Evert Pork, Johannes Moor).  

12 August 1670: Baptism of Hendricus van Essen (Peter van Essen, “Arijke” Jelissen), as “Egbertus Jelisz”—his last known record.

Bartghe as Witness:
 April 1625: Baptism of Heeske Muijtenede (Willem Muijtenede, Willemke Wasmas)—her earliest record.  

15 June 1625: Marriage of Lambert Lubbers and Elisabet Teinagel.  

1 May 1626: Marriage of Gerrit van Willemse and Jenneke Santen—note the groom’s name.

23 December 1630: Baptism of Lambertus Heimerix (Hermen Heimerix, Lambertghe Boumans), with Dirck Bouman—a key clue to her kin.

21 April 1641: Baptism of Maria Guertse and Maria Willemse (Guert Willemse), as “Barentghe” Boumans, with Georgius Ceppel—likely Bartghe; note Guert Willemse’s similarity to 1626’s Gerrit van Willemse.

6 March 1643 Baptism of Lambert van Gent (Dirck van Gent, Gertghe Jansen)—appears to be her last record.

Possible Siblings (Hints): 

Egbert: 
Claeske Jelissen witnessed Lambert van Gent’s baptism (27 July 1648). Naming pattern? Egbert’s daughter was Claeske (1633).  

Adriana Jelissen, with Egbert, witnessed Egbert Gijsbers and Altge Ariens’ marriage (26 April 1649). Another pattern—his daughter Adriaena (1631)?

Bartghe:  

Lambertghe Boumans, mother in 1630 baptism—sister or cousin? Name similarity to Bartghe.

Dirck Bouman, with Bartghe, at Lambertus Heimerix’s baptism (1630) and Adriaena’s (1631)—brother? 

Gritie Boumans witnessed Claeske Jelissen’s marriage to Roelef Vermeer (2 July 1658). Sister?  

Henrick Bouman, with Egbert, witnessed Bartholomeaus van Essen’s baptism (22 December 1658, Peter van Essen, “Arijke” Jelissen). Brother or kin?

Public Roles (Egbert):
1648: Per AR-P012 Archiefinventaris Dominicanen (Erfgoedcentrum Nederlands Kloosterleven), inv. 7038: “Verklaring waarin de schepenen Egbert Jelissen en Jan den Haeff getuigen dat pastoor Basilius van der Linden aan het bevel van de keurvorst zal gehoorzamen en de dominicanen toe zal staan hun termijnen te houden, 1648 (1 stuk).”  

J. Zweers, Het verdwijnen van de stedelijke zelfstandigheid van Huissen (2024):  

Page 278: Egbert as “Schepenen”, 1 May 1661.  

Page 279: Joined magistraat with Jacob van Eimeren (burgemeester), Hans Bohnen, and others. Notes ties: “Eén der kiesmannen was namelijk Gerrit Jelissen terwijl kiesman Peter van Essen met een Jelissen was gehuwd.” Suggests a brother, Gerrit?  

Page 281: “Schepenen” again, 15 April 1668. Protestant exclusions (Wilhelm Ophoff, Van Herwaerden) may have ousted Egbert, though unclear. 

Source: Likely Regionaal Archief Nijmegen (R.A.N.), Gemeentearchief Huissen (G.A.H.), Oud Archief (O.A.), inv. nr. 1, f. 174v.

Estimated Births:  
Egbert: ~1600, based on first record (1626, witness).  

Bartghe: ~1600, per first record (1625, witness).
Roman Catholic records in Gelderland are sparse pre-1620, so baptisms are tough to pin down.

My Ask:
I’m stuck on Egbert and Bartghe’s origins—parents, birthplaces, or pre-1625 traces. Were they Huissen natives? Any ties to nearby parishes? Who were Egbert and Bartghe’s parents? Born in Huissen or nearby? Any pre-1625 clues—baptisms, wills? Could Lambertghe, Dirck, Gritie, Henrick Bouman, or Gerrit, Claeske Jelissen be siblings? I’ve hit Open Archieven but need archive wizards—Gemeentearchief Huissen, Oud Archief, or Gelderland records. Share scans, tips, or theories—I’m eager to crack this! 

Thanks for any help—this couple’s story is a puzzle I’m eager to solve!

Maybe relevant 24 aug 1625

Great catch!  Thanks.

Hello Steve,

I noticed you estimated a birth year by subtracting 25 of the earliest year in which someone appeared as church witness.
In my experience this holds true for wedding witnesses. But for baptisms the youngest witnesses in the RC church were 14 years old. So, in my research I use that age as a threshold to calculate estimated birth years.

Michaël

Re: "Henrick Bouman, with Egbert, witnessed Bartholomeaus van Essen’s baptism (22 December 1658, Peter van Essen, “Arijke” Jelissen). Brother or kin?"

What does it read here? [minor detail: it's a 'she'=> Bartholomea]

Henrick Bouman van Gent l?se??

'Van Gent' ties Henrick Bouman to Anna van Gent, Dirck van Gent (= Dirk Bouman?) and Lambert van Gent (= Lambert Bouman?)

=> I am out of time right now, and cannot oversee and grasp the consequences yet. But I bet it is not a coïncidence that in your summarisation above both flavors 'van Gent' and 'Bouman' are present of both first names 'Lambert(ge)' and 'Dirk', with 'Lambert' possibly also tied in with the name Bartghe/Bartie. Which at least gives a whole new avenue to research.

Adriana Jelissen is the same person as Arijke Jelissen. She was married (1654) to Peter van Essen. (And not to Bartholomeus van Essen in 1655 as stated above; that's his baptism)

Children of this couple:

1655 Bartholomeus (which btw might indicate that Bartha/Bartghe/Bartie Boumans recently died; last record 1647 + here)
1657 Joannes (and here)
1658 Bartholomea 
1660 Bartholomea
1667 Petrus
1670 Hendricus

Hi Bart,  

Thank you for your keen catches, particularly the following:  

• Confirming Adriaena Jelissen, baptized 6 September 1631, as “Arijke” in the 1654 marriage record to Pieter, not Bartholomeas, van Essen. This aligns with J. Zweers’ Het verdwijnen van de stedelijke zelfstandigheid van Huissen (2024), p. 279, which notes the magistrate ties with Jacob van Eimeren (burgemeester), Hans Bohnen, and others, stating: “Eén der kiesmannen was namelijk Gerrit Jelissen terwijl kiesman Peter van Essen met een Jelissen was gehuwd.”
• Identifying the updated last mention of Bartha/Bartghe/Bartie Boumans in public records as a baptismal witness on 27 January 1647.
• Correcting me on Bartholomea—likely a posthumous naming in honor of her grandmother, Bartha/Bartghe/Bartie Boumans.
• I deeply appreciate these corrections. I’m now eager to locate the baptisms for Bartina and her brother Cornelis Vermeer, children of Claeske Jelissen and Roelof Vermeer, who married on 2 July 1659 in Huissen (Roman Catholic): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WK-RJ7B?cat=25597&i=43 

Best regards,

Steve 

P.S. The only evidence confirming Bartina and Cornelis as children of Claeske Jelissen and Roelof Vermeer comes from: 

30 September 1688: ORA Opheusden, Protocol van Bezwaar, nr. 250, fol. 116v (scan 124: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHK-Q3RY-9LRS?cat=26928&i=123&lang=en).  

Details: Cornelis Vermeer identifies his mother, Clara Jelissen, widow of Willem Heijdendaal (her second husband, after Roelof Vermeer); his brother-in-law, Peter Heijdendaal; and his sister, Bartina Vermeer.  

This confirms Bartina and Cornelis as children of Claeske and Roelof Vermeer, and Claeske as the widow of Willem Heijdendaal. The family connection is further solidified by Claeske Jelissen and Cornelis Vermeer serving as baptismal witnesses for three of the nine children of Peter Heijdendaal and Bartina Vermeer (Groessen, DTB Rooms Katholieke, bk. 555): Anna Margareta Heijdendaal (bapt. 12 March 1684, witnesses: Jan van Huissen, Claeske Jelissen, Hendrina van Essen); Ermelindis Heijdendaal (bapt. 2 May 1691, witnesses: Judith Lippert, Cornelis Vermeer, Jan Cool); and Engelbertus Heijdendaal (bapt. 18 May 1692, witnesses: Cornelis Vermeer, Maria Onsteyns). Additionally, Bartina’s name likely honors her grandmother, Bartha/Bartghe/Bartie Boumans, following Dutch naming traditions where grandchildren were often named after grandparents with slight variations (e.g., Bartina as a diminutive of Bartha). 
 

Bartina and Cornelis must be born before 1665, because of the wedding in Zetten en Andelst, d.d. 12-02-1665 [scan 61]:

"[...] Willem Heijendael J.M. van Hateren en Claesken Jelissen wed. van Roedolf Vermeer tot ??kenmont"

But you probably were already aware of that fact.

Thanks again, Bart, that one didn't show up until now.  :)

P.S. Where can I find it in FamilySearch?

It is scan 63 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99W2-MS34?cc=2038506&lang=nl&i=62

Thanks, Hans.

Regards,

Steve

Claeske and Roelof married in Huissen-stad on 02-07-1658 (https://www.geldersarchief.nl/bronnen/archieven?mizig=236&miadt=37&miaet=18&micode=0176_981.01&minr=25418240&miview=ldt, p. 31) 

Roelef/Roelof Arens and Gritie Boumans are witnesses.

Thanks.  Extremely appreciate the find and the corrected date.  

As a postscript to this thread:

Introduction: Claeske Jelissen, born in Huissen in 1633, stands as a central figure in the genealogical tapestry of the Jelissen, Vermeer, and Heijdendaal families. Through her marriages to Roelof Vermeer and Willem Heijdendaal, she forged enduring links between these lineages, with her children Bartina and Cornelis Vermeer anchoring her legacy. Her active role in Huissen Stad’s Roman Catholic community and her appearances in baptismal and judicial records provide a rich trail of evidence. This postscript aims to refresh our understanding of Claeske’s life and connections, drawing on primary sources to illuminate her pivotal role and invite further insights into her later years.

I. Background and Parentage:

Claeske Jelissen was baptized on 26 April 1633 in Huissen Stad’s Roman Catholic church (scan 78, left side: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9WK-RV74?cat=25597&i=77&lang=en). Her parents, Egbertus Jelissen and Bartie Boumans, married on 3 March 1629 in Huissen Stad (Roman Catholic, scan 13, left side: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WK-RJH7?cat=25597&i=12&lang=en). Claeske’s sister, Adriana Jelissen, married Pieter van Esse, a connection confirmed by Claeske’s role as a baptismal witness for their son Joannes Petrus in 1657 (see below).

II. Marriages and Children:

Claeske’s two marriages shaped her familial legacy:

Roelof Vermeer (1658): Claeske married Roelof Vermeer on 2 July 1658 in Huissen Stad (Roman Catholic, scan 43, left side: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WK-RJQQ?cat=25597&i=42&lang=en). They had two children:

Bartina Vermeer (~1660–1662, likely named after Claeske’s mother, Bartie Boumans).

Cornelis Vermeer.

Willem Heijdendaal (1665): After Roelof’s death, Claeske married Willem Heijdendaal (a meester from Heteren, residing in Lakemond, and brother of Peter Heijdendaal) on 12 February 1665 in Zetten (scan: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99W2-MS34?cat=119021&i=224). The record lists Willem as “J.M. van Hateren” and Claeske as the widow of “Roedolf Vermeer tot Lakemond.”

III. Proof of Children:

A judicial record dated 30 September 1688 (ORA Opheusden, Protocol van Bezwaar, nr. 250, fol. 116v, scan 124: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHK-Q3RY-9LRS?cat=26928&i=123&lang=en) confirms Claeske’s children. Cornelis Vermeer names:

His mother, Clara Jelissen, widow of Willem Heijdendaal.

His “zwager” (brother-in-law), Peter Heijdendaal, married to his sister Bartina Vermeer.

His “suster,” Bartina Vermeer.

This document establishes Bartina and Cornelis as children of Claeske and Roelof Vermeer and ties Claeske to Peter Heijdendaal through Bartina’s marriage.

IV. Community Role in Huissen Stad:

Claeske was an active member of Huissen’s Roman Catholic community, serving as a baptismal and marriage witness between 1648 and 1657:
27 September 1648: With Otto in het Ros, Claeske witnessed the baptism of Lambert van Gent, son of Dirck van Gent (Huissen Stad, RK, scan 131, left side: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WK-RJ2J?cat=25597&i=130&lang=en).

30 July 1656: With Steven ten Westeneint, she witnessed the marriage of Arnoldus Leijsius van der Goes and Henrixke van Essen (Huissen Stad, RK, scan 40, right side: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WK-RJ4G?cat=25597&i=39&lang=en).

24 September 1656: With Henrick Bouman, she witnessed the baptism of Joannes in het Ros, son of Otto in het Ros and Judith van Burgundien (Huissen Stad, RK, scan 152, left side: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89WK-RNR7?cat=25597&i=151&lang=en).

28 March 1657: With Rutger van Essen, she witnessed the baptism of Joannes Petrus van Esse, son of Pieter van Esse and Adriana Jelissen (Claeske’s sister), confirming her familial ties (Huissen Stad, RK, scan 153, left side: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9WK-RJGZ?cat=25597&i=152&lang=en).

These records highlight Claeske’s deep roots in Huissen before her marriages to Roelof Vermeer (1658) and Willem Heijdendaal (1665).

V. Heijdendaal Family Connections:

Claeske’s integration into the Heijdendaal family is evident through her marriage to Willem and her appearances in related records:

6 June 1675: As “Claesijn Heijdendaal,” she witnessed the baptism of Willemina, daughter of Wendelina Heijdendaal (likely Willem’s sister) and Peter Spronck, in Indoornik (DTB Rooms Katholieke, bk. 954, scan 278, left side: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WK-GHJ?cat=25996&i=277&lang=en).

1684: She appeared at the baptism of Anna Margareta, daughter of Peter Heijdendaal and Bartina Vermeer, further linking the families.

Wendelina Heijdendaal: Likely a sibling of Willem and Peter, Wendelina married Peter Spronck on 14 July 1674 in Heteren (Nederlands Hervormde, bk. 949.1) and later Derck Lippis on 8 September 1677 in Randwijk (Nederlands Hervormde, bk. 955, scan 459, right side: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WK-GS4P?cat=16876&i=458&lang=en). Her children’s baptisms (Willemina, 1675; Jan, 1676) and a 1677 judicial record (ORA Overbetuwe, inv. 110, fol. 114r–114v, scans 126–127: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-N389-1JRB?lang=en&i=125; https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-N389-1V61?lang=en&i=126) confirm her Heijdendaal ties, with Claeske’s presence reinforcing the connection.

VI. Last Known Mention and Open Question:

Claeske’s last documented appearance is the 1688 judicial record (ORA Opheusden, 30 September 1688, https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHK-Q3RY-9LRS?cat=26928&i=123&lang=en), where she is named as the widow of Willem Heijdendaal and mother of Bartina and Cornelis Vermeer. No later records, including her burial, have been found.

Does anyone have additional sources or leads on Claeske’s fate after 1688, such as later mentions in Huissen, Lakemond, or Heijdendaal family records, or a possible burial record?

Thanks in advance,

Steve

On 15-02-1683 Claesje Jelissen, widow of Heijdendaal, was witness of the baptism of Johanna, daughter of Lamberti Willemsen and Henderske Teunese, Lexkesveer (between Indoornik and Wageningen): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99WK-GR3?view=explore&groupId=M96K-1MR&lang=en

And on 05-08-1700 she seems to be witness at another baptism in Randwijk, as Clara Jelissen, together with Jan Heijdendaal. The child baptised is Clara Vermeer, daughter of Rudolphus Vermeer and Lamberta Rossum, see: https://www.geldersarchief.nl/bronnen/personen?mivast=37&mizig=128&miadt=37&miview=tbl&milang=nl&misort=voor%7Casc&mistart=20&mibj=1600&miej=1700&mizk_alle=jelissen&mip1=cl*

Great catches. Thanks for your keen eye.

With appreciation,

Steve

Thank you to everyone for the ongoing insights in this thread! Hopefully, a burial record for Claeske Jelissen after 1700 can be found.  As we have noticed, she appears in records from Huissen, Indoornik, Lexkesveer, Groessen, and Randwijk, but the scarcity of Roman Catholic (RK) church records for this period has made this challenging.  

Does anyone have suggestions for archives, repositories, or alternative sources where a burial record might be located? I’m particularly interested in RK church records, local archives, or other genealogical resources for Huissen and the surrounding areas mentioned. Additionally, I’d love to confirm Claeske’s fate or uncover further records of her activities post-1700.  

Any advice on navigating records for these specific locations or insights from your own research would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!