I am hoping someone can help.  Yestersday, I searched Familysearch, and attempted to find the following:

RA. Noord Holland, Rechterijk Archief, Houlvesterij Brederode, in. nr. 7084:

Op 7 april 1615 werd Meynert Claesz., zoon Claes Dammasz., aangeklaagd omdat hij op 8 november 1614 ongekwalificeerd met twee honden had gejaagd in de duinen van Brederode.

Translation: On April 7, 1615 was Meynert Claesz., son of Claes Dammasz., sued because he was unqualified on November 8, 1614 had been hunting with two dogs in the dunes of Brederode.

Did the highlighted in black ever get microfilmed for Familysearch?  If so, can someone post the link?  If not, what repository has this record, so I can contact them to see if this record was digitized or can be digitized.

Is this it?

http://noord-hollandsarchief.nl/bronnen/archieven?mivast=236&mizig=210&miadt=236&miaet=1&micode=184&minr=747954&miview=inv2

Maybe you can ask this question at www.gahetna.nl

They have "Houtvesterij Holland" and it has something to do with hunting permitt.

So maybe thats the reason why Meynert Claesz got in this mess, because he did not have a hunting permitt.

Greetings

Saskia

" http://noord-hollandsarchief.nl/bronnen/archieven?mivast=236&mizig=210&miadt=236&miaet=1&micode=184&minr=747954&miview=inv2 "

That has something to do with orphans, so when a father or/and mother dies, the orphan(s) (even when one of the parents are stil alive) gets a guardian who protects his of hers heritage and so on.

Gr

Sas

What you found is in the Archive of Noord-Holland, so maybe is smart to ask you question there, they have the documents.

I hope that you can get the answer(s) you want from http://www.gahetna.nl/collectie/archief/inventaris/index/zoekterm/Brederode/eadid/3.01.31/wollig/uit/volledige-tekst/aan/gebruikersinbreng/aan/aantal/20/node/c01%3A5.c02%3A3/level/file#c01:5.c02:3 

or

http://noord-hollandsarchief.nl/

Gr

Saskia

It is not digitized yet:

184 Oud Rechterlijke en Weeskamer Archieven (ORA)

Steve

I have consulted these records of the Houtvester a couple of years ago. Not the original ones, they were available on microfiche in the study room of Noord-Hollands Archief in Haarlem. Very difficult to read. But NHA is not one of the leading archives in digitizing records, to put it mildly....

regards, Frans

Wonder if they'll do any specific records on request?  I emailed them earlier today.

the problem would be that these so-called rolls are transcripts of the court days of the Houtvester, which are not (page-) numbered. So they would have to search in the roll to find the specific date you mentioned, and then in that day's session the persons involved. This may take some time and if they're willing to do it, they probably will charge for the time involved, apart from the scanning or photo-ing the page(s) itself.

regards, Frans

Beste Frans,

zie voor de 24 "bewijsstukken" Jaarboek CBG 1980 vanaf blz 51. Dan heb je al gegeten en gedronken.

Verder: de conclusie van Nico Schelhaas, dat hiermee het bewijs van de afstamming is geleverd, rammelt als je hem vandaag de dag terugleest aan alle kanten; daarover was men het in 1981 over het algemeen al met elkaar eens.
Al was het alleen maar, omdat het domweg niet lukt om de personen van geschatte geboortedata te voorzien, zonder dat je in de knoop raakt. Schelhaas heeft dat in zijn publicatie dan ook maar wijselijk achterwege gelaten.

De vraagsteller kan dan wel van plan zijn om het wiel in deze kwestie opnieuw uit te vinden, maar dat gaat uiteraard nooit lukken.

groeten, Jan

When time permits, I may ask my cousin, Hans, who lives in Beverwijk, to access these records.  By the way, did you receive the transport register on Meynert Claesz and his children?  From what I read, all the children were accounted for.

Hi Jan:  I am not looking to re-invent the wheel, just looking to document and confirm for my own peace of mind, that the line of descent is valid.

Regards, Steve

Yes, thanks Steve, I did receive the scans. There is no doubt that Meijndert had a daughter Neeltge - what I meant is that I don't know any documents that confirm that the Neeltge Meijndertsdr who was married to Pieter Jacobsz 'sGravendijk is the same Neeltge as the daughter of Meijndert Claesz. 
Mind you, that could very well be, but I did not research any further in this matter. 

regards, Frans

Hello Steve,

I wish you strenght, and wisdom,

Jan

Frans:

The only info I have tying the s'Gravendijk family to Meijndert was the following:

20. Attestatie verleden voor schepenen van Haarlem, door Jan Pieterse 's-Gravendijk te Noordwijkerhout en Lansilas van der Klugt te Vogelenzang, ter requisitie van Jan Pieterse van Beijeren en Hendrik Leendertse van Beijeren, betreffende hun afstamming uit Mijndert Claasse, 8 aug. 1711.    1 stuk

(Translation: Attestation past aldermen of Haarlem, Jan Pieterse 's-Gravendijk Noordwijkerhout and Lansilas van der Klugt to Vogelenzang, at a request of Jan Pieterse of Bavaria and Henry Leendertse of Bavaria, on their descent from Mijndert Claasse, 8 Jul. 1711)

a. Afschrift door N.N. van een afschrift naar het origineel door waarschijnlijk Mr. Albert Fabricius, secretaris van Haarlem. N.B. Het originele schepenregister is verloren gegaan.

Frans:  I believe the above referenced Jan Pieterse 's-Gravendijk would have been the grandson of Mijndert Claasse.

well yes, I don't  want to sound pernickety, but if we don't know the (complete) contents of the statement, we only now that Jan Pietersz 's-Gravendijck apparently knew something about the ancestry of the two Van Beieren guys....  I don't know who they are, nor Lansilas vand er Klugt althought I seem to have come across the name before,

But Steve, it's commendable that you're trying to get as much proof as you can of your ancestry. I do not doubt it very much that we're talking about the same Neeltgen Meijnderts. In that respect, you might be interested in this document, which is the contract between Meijndert Claesz Aelman and the Gasthuis in Noordwijk from 1669. Proves nothing, just interesting.

regards, Frans

Hi Frans:  First, thanks for the document.  Second, you're not being pernickety.  I, too, take the same approach but just wanted to show what I have found, though only limited by the fact that the record is part of some dossier in the National Archives which I obviously do not have access to at the present.

P.S. Frans.  I am sure you have come across this document, see number 32.  https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99QJ-YYZ1?mode=g&i=18&wc=SMMG-6TT%3A345830201%2C345837501%2C346005901&cc=2037907

yes, I've made a transcription of that book. To be published, errr ... at a later date....