My grandson took part inthe Genome-2 Project; I took the big Y from Family Tree. Both of us are defined as P-311, which is between L11 and P312. This means a non-mutated Y-dna since the mid Bronze Age, likely representing the oldest living R1b haplo group in the Netherlands, or Europe. All others from the R1b Haplo group have mutated Y-dna (check the R1b tree!). My van Weert's originate from Dinther, N.B., still ground zero for van Weert's in the Netherlands (check the Meertens Institute family name distribution chart). Does anybody know a van Weert (from Dinther, preferably) interested in taking a 69 marker Y-dna test with FTDNA at my costs? As a Christmas present, maybe?

Gus Van Weert

Caledon East, ON

Canada

If your current level of Y-DNA testing determines you to be P311 it doesn't mean you have unmutated DNA. That is statisticly almost impossible with a haplogroup that old.  It does mean that your current level of Y-DNA test was insufficient to classify you into any know younger haplogroup.  This ofcourse can means 2 things.

1.  You are a rare and sofar unknown haplogroup

2.  Your Y-DNA test is not enough to classify you for any younger haplogroup. 

The latter is the most likely. You can now get relative cheap panels of specific SNP tests at FTDNA and YSEQ that test you for mostly all known branches below a certain point. That way you can determine if you truly are a rare haplogroup.  Ofcourse if you have enough money to spent on Y-DNA testing you can take a Next Generation test like Big-Y at FTDNA or somewhere else to search for SNP's in most of the testable part of the Y-chromosoom.  That will help determine what haplogroup you belong to and may even help to define a new haplogroup if there are others that tested with NGC which you share a fairly recent common ancestor with.

Hi Harold: Thanks for your reaction. I agree with your assessment, but believe that the van Weert's fall under possibility 1. The following phylogenetic tree shows the current thinking about P311. It splits into P312 and U106, but also into CTS 4528 via S1194. This very small subgroup CTS 4528 has its own Facebook post called South Baltic DNA  and provides support for this area of genetic genealogy. For progress it would be very helpful to get as many potential P311's analyzed by the FTDNA Big-Y test. My number is 360054. I look forward to your reaction. Gus Van Weert

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