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To reconstruct the family of Gerrit Renszn of 17th-century Winkel, the following document was kindly transcribed by Geert Ouweneel. It appears a little confusing as to the family structure. On my first pass-through, it appears that Gerrit was married a couple of times. The document alludes to one of his marriages.

Full disclosure, I am descended from a Rens Gerritszn who resided in Winkel in the 1660s through 1700s.  Unsure if I have found the father of Rens, but there is a mention of offspring by the name of Rens. 

Geert Ouweneel zei op do, 02/01/2024 - 16:10
In den name des Heeren, amen. Op huyden
den twaelfden September anno 1672, compareerde
voor mij Syvert Schagen, openbare notaris, bij den
Hove van Hollant geadmitteert, residerende binnen
Winckel, ende de getuygen naergenoemt, den Ed.
Gerrit Rensz, out president-schepen binnen
desen stede, mij notario seer wel bekent, gaende
en staende in redelijcke gesontheyt des lichaems,
oock sijne memorie, verstandt ende sprake wel
hebbende ende volkomentlijck gebruyckende,
soo uytterlijck gebleeck en men anders niet
en konder bemercken, dewelcke overdenckende
de kort- ende broorsheyt van 's menschen leven, de
sekerheyt des doots ende de onsekere uyre
vandien, verklaerde daeromme uyt sijn
eygen selfs vrijen wille ende voorbedachten
gemoede, sonder ymants opmakinge ofte
misleydinge, voor sijn overlijden van sijne
tijdelijcke goederen te willen disponeren
in voegen ende manieren hiernaer volgende,
alvoren hemselven, beyde naer ziel ende
lichaem, bevelende in de oneyndige barmher-
ticheden Godes, om de eenige ende alvolko-
mende offerhande Jesu Christi,
komende daermede ter dispositie voorsz.,
verklaerde hij testateur dat tusschen hem
ende sijn laetste huysvrouwe Trijn Pieters zaliger
onder andere conditien voort aengaen
van haer huwelijck bij haer gesamentlijck
was verdragen in gevalle het quam te
gebeuren dat sij conthoralen kinderen bij den
anderen verweckt int leven naerlieten,
dat in soodanigen gevalle nae het sterven
van beyde conthoralen alle de goederen bij
sijne gewesene huysvrouwe ten huwelijk aenge-
bracht (en bij haer van haer sijde staende
huwelijck aengeërft) alleenlijck souden devolveren
op haer beyde kinderen, sonder dat
des comparants voorkint Breghie Gerrits daer /
yets uyt soude proffiteren, ende gemerckt hij comparant
bevint ('t zij door quade informatie aen de notaris
of onvoorsichticheyt des schirjvers, of andersints) dat
hetselve niet is uytgedruckt in de huwelijkse
voorwaerden, bij hem ende sijn huysvrouw voornt. opgerecht,
verklaerde hij comparant en testateur sijn expresse
wil ende begeerte te sijn, omme 't selve defect
bij dispositie deses te vervullen, ende andere pregnante
redenen hem daertoe moverende, dat sijn
drye nakinderen, met namen Pieter, Rens ende
Dieuwer Gerrits, ofte bij vooroverlijden van haer
desselfs descendent of descendenten bij represen-
tatie, vooraf sullen genieten uyt sijne
gereetste nae te laeten goederen, eerstelijck
een stuck weydlant, leggende op Groenvelt,
groot ontrent vier ... twee ..., noch de
gerechte helft van een stuckje weydlant,
leggende op de Nes, groot deselve helft een
gars elftalff snees, gemeen met Pieter
Jansz, backer alhier, ofte in plaetse derselver
de rechte waerde vandien, noch van den
jare 1666 in September af te reeckenen
tot sijn testateurs overlijden toe, yder jaer
een som van vijftich gulden, in recognitie ende
vergeldinge van de vruchten die hij testateur
van sijn drye voorsz. kinderen moeders erffenis
sedert dien tijt heeft genoten, ende voortaen
sal genieten, deselve testateur sijn drye
jonge kinderen in voegen voorsz. 't selve
prelegaterende mits desen, verklaerde
vorder hij testateur sijn begeert te sijn, dat
de gerechte helft van den resterende gemeenen
boedel, hem testateur alleen competerende
tegens de wederhelft derselver die sijn drye
jonge kinderen wegens moeders erf
sijn toebehoorende, en bij hem metter doot mede
te ontruymen ende naer te laten (eerst ende
alvoren afgetrocken van sijn testateurs helft
het jaerlijckse prelegaet van vijftich guldens)
sullen werden gedeelt ende genoten bij alle /
sijne kinderen, soowel vant eerste als tweede bedt,
ofte bij vooraflijvicheyt derselver sijne ofte hare
kinderen bij representatie nae regten deser
landen, deselve kinderen alss ijne eenige
erfgenamen in voegen voornt. in 't selve instituerende
ende nominerende mits desen, en in gevalle
sij Breghie Gerrits bevint het voorsz. hare erffenis
niet te monteren haer legitima portie, dat
haer hetselve kort uyt sijn testateurs
goederen eerst sal werden gesuppleert.
Alle 't geen voorsz. staet verklaerde hij testateur
te wesen sijn uytterste wille ende laetste begeerte,
willende dat 't selve sal standt houden ende
volkomen erffect sorteren, 't zij als testament,
codicil, donatie causa mortis vel inter vivos
of andersints, soo een 's menschen laetste wil
na rechten ende costuymen van den lande best
sal mogen valideren ende bestaen,
versoeckende van alle geomitteerde en
nochtans gerequireerde solemnityeten
geëxcuseert te sijn, derogerende
alle placcaten, ordonnantien ende rechten
desen eenichsints contrarierende, sulcx
stipulerende in handen mijns notaris en
stipulatie ontfangende. Aldus gepasseert
ter comptoire mijns notaris ter presentie
van mr. Symon van Raephost ende Jacob
Claesz Dwangh, poorteren binnen Winckel,
getuygen, geloofwaerdich met mij notario
hiertoe versocht ende gebeden, die deser
neffens den testateur ende mij notaris
mede geteyckent hebben. datum ut supra.

Gerrit Rensen
Mr. Symon van Raephost
Jacob Claesen Dwang
Quopd attestor rogatus
Syvert Schagen

The following marriage record is of Gerrit Renszn of Winkel:
Ondertrouwen, trouwen (Grote kerk)
Bron: doop-, trouw- en begraafregister
Soort registratie: trouwakte
(Akte)datum: 07-08-1626Plaats: Alkmaar
Soort akte: Trouw

Bruidegom: Gerrit Rensz
Bruid: Aecht Jans

https://hdl.handle.net/21.12106/f10eeeaa-b8c7-4201-8f0e-79e0d4b4a2ba

(Scan 48 - assuming this link works)
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/personen-zoeken/zoeken-in-personen/persons?ss=%7B%22q%22:%22Aecht%20Jans%22%7D&sort=%7B%22order_i_datum%22:%22asc%22%7D

More information is forthcoming, as I found multiple depositions in which Gerrit gave his age at various times, indicating a birth about 1599.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Regards, Steve

Steve Barnhoorn 2 - 1 feb 2024 - 22:04 (laatst bijgewerkt 1 feb 2024 — 22:08 door auteur)

From this transcript it follows he had a daughter Breghie from a previous marriage.

Scan 48 indeed mentions he is coming from Winkel.

Please refer to this link for any other records that might help you to trace down his ancestors: link

JP Ouweltjes - 1 feb 2024 - 23:30 (laatst bijgewerkt 1 feb 2024 — 23:39 door auteur)

As promised, mentions of Gerrit Renszn in Winkel Notarial Records:

13 November 1668:

Scan 166:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-P3VW-NN6P?i=175&cat=38053

17 November 1668 (deposed age as "69 jaren")
Scan 177:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-P3VW-NJ95?i=176&cat=38053

24 April 1673 (deposed age as "74 jaren"):
Scan 222:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-P3VW-NK47?i=221&cat=38053

16 August 1673 (mentioned as schepen):
Scan 287:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-P3VW-NNNT?i=286&cat=38053

17 August 1673 (mentioned as schepen):

Scan 289:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-P3VW-NJFG?i=288&cat=38053

13 October 1673 (mentioned as schepen):

Scan 296:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-L3VW-NLQ6?i=295&cat=38053

20 September 1677 (deposed age as "79 jaren")

Scan 335:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-P3VW-NJP2?i=334&cat=38053

Steve Barnhoorn 2 - 2 feb 2024 - 01:06 (laatst bijgewerkt 2 feb 2024 — 18:32 door auteur)

In 1628 mention of Cornelis Rensis from Winkel who sells property in Schoorl to his cousin Arian Claesz that he has inherited from his uncle Jan Gerritsz, who died in Alkmaar [link].

JP Ouweltjes - 2 feb 2024 - 06:32 (laatst bijgewerkt 2 feb 2024 — 09:08 door auteur)

More mentions of Gerrit Rensz:

10 January 1651 (mentioned as kerkmeester):
Scan 411:
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.4/start/410/limit/10/highlight/1

9 January 1652 (mentioned as schepen):
Scan 448:
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.4/start/440/limit/10/highlight/8

13 January 1654 (mentioned as schepen):
Scan 34:
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.5/start/30/limit/10/highlight/4

12 January 1655 (mentioned as kerkmeester):
Scan 63:
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.5/start/60/limit/10/highlight/3

20 March 1657 (mentioned as kerkmeester):
Scan 133:
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.5/start/130/limit/10/highlight/3

9 January 1659:
Scan 221:
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.5/start/220/limit/10/highlight/1

31 October 1662 (mentioned as kerkmeester):
Scan 10:
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.6/start/0/limit/10/highlight/10

8 January 1664 (mentioned as schepen):
Scan 34:
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.6/start/30/limit/10/highlight/4

8 January 1665 (mentioned as kerkmeester):
Scan 64:
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.6/start/60/limit/10/highlight/4

9 January 1667 (mentioned as kerkmeester):
Scan 115:
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.6/start/110/limit/10/highlight/5

10 January 1668 (mentioned as schepen):
Scan 156:
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.6/start/150/limit/10/highlight/6

13 January 1671 (mentioned as schepen):
Scan 250:
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.6/start/240/limit/10/highlight/10

12 January 1672 (mentioned as kerkmeester):
Scan 14:
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.7/start/10/limit/10/highlight/4

10 January 1673 (mentioned as schepen):
Scan 35:
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.7/start/30/limit/10/highlight/5

8 January 1674 (mentioned as kerkmeester):
Scan 42:
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.7/start/40/limit/10/highlight/2

8 January 1675 (mentioned as schepen):
Scan 77:
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.7/start/70/limit/10/highlight/7

7 February 1676 (mentioned as kerkmeester):
Scan 108:
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.7/start/100/limit/10/highlight/8

25 January 1678 (mentioned as kerkmeester):
Scan 159:
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.7/start/150/limit/10/highlight/9

28 November 1679:
Scan 208:
https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.7/start/200/limit/10/highlight/8

The last entry appears to show Gerrit Rensz had already passed away, Other references show him in some official capacity.

Steve Barnhoorn 2 - 2 feb 2024 - 12:08 (laatst bijgewerkt 3 feb 2024 — 09:11 door auteur)

A first glance shows him in a particular function (kerkmeester, schepen) but nothing related to hsi family. I suppose books in which the selling of proprty was registered are more useful in finding to whom he was related. I am pretty sure he had family in Winkel.

JP Ouweltjes - 2 feb 2024 - 16:34

When I went through this ledger, I had hopes of locating some information about family relationships for Gerrit. On the other hand, the last entry gives us the idea Gerrit Rensz died before 28 November 1679. When one puts the pieces together, we now know Gerrit was born about 1599 and died sometime before 28 November 1679, at the approximate age of 80.  

In addition, the transcription of the deed, dated 12 September 1672, shows that Gerrit was married at least twice. First, in 1626, to Aecht Jans.  What I am unsure about is if Trijn Pieters was the mother of the children named Pieter, Rens, and Dieuwer Gerrits.  As you surmised, Breghie Gerrits was also a daughter from a previous marriage.  Again, at this time, it's hard to determine how many times Gerrit was married. Right now, we know of two marriages.

Steve Barnhoorn 2 - 2 feb 2024 - 16:47

He could be a brother of Cornelis Rensis.

JP Ouweltjes - 2 feb 2024 - 17:43

Hi JP:

Yes, it's entirely possible Cornelis could be a sibling.

In the meantime, to better understand Gerrit Renszn, I found this item, dated 2 April 1669 (looks like a lawsuit).  There's a reference to Anna Jans. Unsure if this is the same person as the one Gerrit married in 1626 (Aecht Jans). Is Aecht a pet form of Anna?  A couple more lawsuits. Same parties.

Scan 200 (2 April 1669):

https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.6/start/190/limit/10/highlight/10

Scan 201 (30 April 1669):

https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.6/start/200/limit/10/highlight/1

Scan 202 (3 May 1669):

https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-10.3.006.2/38.3.6/start/200/limit/10/highlight/2

Steve Barnhoorn 2 - 3 feb 2024 - 03:10 (laatst bijgewerkt 3 feb 2024 — 03:22 door auteur)

It  is mentioned that Anna Jans is a sister of Pieter Jansz Kobes. The first scan that you mention is preceded by this one [link] from which it becomes clear that  Gerrit Rensz bought a small piece of land (erffgen) and is summoned by Jan Ubelsz to stop his activities on the land (sijn voorgenomen werck) that Gerrit Rensz had just bought from Pieter Jansz Kobes, as he was actually not allowed to sell it, according to a testament made by Dieuwer Pieters and her husband. 

I have the suspicion that  Dieuwer Pieters was the mother of Anna Jans and Pieter Jansz Kobes. I doubt if Aecht Jans was also a daughter of her. Perhaps this would become clear by tracing down the actual selling of the land. 

Btw Anna is not a pet form of Aecht.

Furthermore, note that  Aecht Jans came from Alkmaar. 

JP Ouweltjes - 3 feb 2024 - 06:09 (laatst bijgewerkt 3 feb 2024 — 06:41 door auteur)

Found this: link. Considering the date of selling I doubt that  this is what the above was all about but it further explains about Dieuwer, Anna and Pieter. Neighbour was Rens Gerritsz, very likely a son of Gerrit Rensz.

Related: link

JP Ouweltjes - 3 feb 2024 - 06:31 (laatst bijgewerkt 3 feb 2024 — 06:53 door auteur)

I would agree: Rens was a son of Gerrit Renszn, as you found in the 1670 deed, along with Gerrit Renszn's deposition referring to his son Ren on 12 September 1672.

Steve Barnhoorn 2 - 3 feb 2024 - 07:47

In 1633 mention of Cornelis Rensis who owes 105 guilders to Cornelis Cornelisz Jongman, to which he gave his house as a pledge, located in Winkel in de bosch. Also mentioned are Gerrit Rensis, brother of Cornelis Rensis, Borrit Pietersz, uncle of Cornelis, Dirck Pietersz Bijl, Arijs Ariansz, and the aforementioned Cornelis Cornelisz Jongman, al three cousins of Cornelis, as guarantors for Cornelis [link].

Another mention of Cornelis Rensis here.

In 1620 mention of a person called Rens Jansz, link

JP Ouweltjes - 3 feb 2024 - 09:11

Great find.  Your hunch about Cornelis and Gerrit being siblings was spot on!

One point caught my eye: "Gerrit Rensis, brother of Cornelis Rensis, Borrit Pietersz, uncle of Cornelis" (uncle to Cornelis Cornelisz Jongman?) Makes me wonder if Borrit Pietersz was a sibling to Trinjte Pietersz, Gerrit's wife identified by name in September 1672.  

Steve Barnhoorn 2 - 3 feb 2024 - 09:17 (laatst bijgewerkt 3 feb 2024 — 09:32 door auteur)

No Borrit Pietersz is the uncle of Cornelis Rensis (and implicitly of Gerrit Rensis). Borrit was, so it seems, a respectable man in the village, who left  quite a few traces in the archives. See also, for example, here and here

JP Ouweltjes - 3 feb 2024 - 11:12 (laatst bijgewerkt 3 feb 2024 — 11:12 door auteur)

Now, I am in the mid-1640s, looking at land deeds, no mention of Gerrit Renszn to be found...yet.

In the meantime, the Winkel church records begin in 1639, and there were the only baptisms found:

Gerrit Renszn:

Two children: Dieuwer and Maertjen

9 September 1640:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89QV-1RZL?i=6&cc=2037985&cat=75456

(Heeft Gerrit Venssoon woonende tot Winckel Binnen twee kinderen laten doopen, d'een is geheten Dieuwer en d'ander Maertjen)

Child: Dieuwer, baptized on 23 October 1644:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99QV-1PZ4?i=16&cc=2037985&cat=75456

(Heeft Gerrit Renssooij woonende binnen Winckel zijn kint laten doopen en is genaemt Dieuwer)

No baptisms were found for sons Pieter or Renz.

Meantime, a 1666 marriage record for Dieuwer Gerrits, daughter of Gerrit Rensz?

https://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.nl/collecties/archieven/archieven-2/scans/NL-AmrRAA-60.3.005/1.2.1/start/10/limit/10/highlight/6

Steve Barnhoorn 2 - 4 feb 2024 - 01:05 (laatst bijgewerkt 4 feb 2024 — 02:57 door auteur)

As Rens Gerritsz, his son, lived in de bosch in Winkel, as did Cornelis Rensis, the uncle of Rens Gerritsz, it is likely that also Gerrit Rensis lived there. I would have a careful look at sellings that mention "in de bosch", where Gerrit Rensis will hopefully be mentioned as neigbour of the sold property.

As mentions before 1625 with the name Rens are rare, I suspect that the father of Gerrit and Cornelis died at relatively young age. Again, by reconstructing property mentioning in de bosch, and assuming that  Gerrit Rensis inherited the property from his parents, you could find who owned the property before him. It's a tedious job but it has helped me more than once in my own research.

I would also recommend to have a further look at transcribed archives from the de banne Niedorp (accessible through Regionaal Archief Alkmaar), which is very close to Winkel. See for example the second link in my message from yesterday. The name Rens was quite common in Niedorp, and some family may have lived there.

I suspect that "in de bosch" refers to the Bosstraat, one of the main streets in Winkel.

JP Ouweltjes - 4 feb 2024 - 09:05 (laatst bijgewerkt 4 feb 2024 — 17:41 door auteur)

Good Morning:

The first question I have is Niedorp: Oude or Nieuwe-Niedorp?  Church records there are also sparse.

Steve Barnhoorn 2 - 4 feb 2024 - 13:19

De banne Niedorp included both villages.

JP Ouweltjes - 4 feb 2024 - 17:23


Another mention of Rens Jansz: link

And one more: link

JP Ouweltjes - 4 feb 2024 - 19:57 (laatst bijgewerkt 4 feb 2024 — 20:28 door auteur)







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